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Flag Pontiac November 18, 2012 7:47 AM PST
Finally a blue tutor for any, all cards in your library YAY!
Flag Maraxas-of-Keld November 18, 2012 7:57 AM PST
And Terese is the artist? 8D

I am going to play this is in Battle of Wits .dec
Flag StatueOfLuberty November 18, 2012 8:18 AM PST

Nov 18, 2012 -- 7:57AM, Maraxas-of-Keld wrote:

And Terese is the artist? 8D

I am going to play this is in Battle of Wits .dec



why in a BoW deck??? Isn't the point of BoW to have 200 cards left in your library? So mainly like tutors and cards to help you find BoW and hopefully be able to play it by turn 5

Flag DarkAvatar1018 November 18, 2012 8:34 AM PST

Nov 18, 2012 -- 8:18AM, StatueOfLuberty wrote:

Nov 18, 2012 -- 7:57AM, Maraxas-of-Keld wrote:

And Terese is the artist? 8D

I am going to play this is in Battle of Wits .dec



why in a BoW deck??? Isn't the point of BoW to have 200 cards left in your library? So mainly like tutors and cards to help you find BoW and hopefully be able to play it by turn 5



So you think drawing 4 dead cards and 200+ game-winners is a bad thing? I will certainly include 1 of this in my BoW decks, maybe along with Psychic Spiral .

Also, insta-banned in EDH.

Flag Manite November 18, 2012 10:19 AM PST
First thing I thought of when I saw this was Omniscience .
Flag Dapperghast November 18, 2012 10:58 AM PST

Nov 18, 2012 -- 8:18AM, StatueOfLuberty wrote:

Nov 18, 2012 -- 7:57AM, Maraxas-of-Keld wrote:

And Terese is the artist? 8D

I am going to play this is in Battle of Wits .dec



why in a BoW deck??? Isn't the point of BoW to have 200 cards left in your library? So mainly like tutors and cards to help you find BoW and hopefully be able to play it by turn 5



Drop BOW, One With Nothing with an Egyptian God Card . BLAM.

Nov 18, 2012 -- 7:17AM, StatueOfLuberty wrote:

only problem is you need to win during that next turn or you lose...



Lab Maniac Divination . With like 12 free counterspells to back you up.

Flag perodequeso November 18, 2012 12:46 PM PST

Nov 18, 2012 -- 7:15AM, ChaosLight wrote:

"Draw cards equal to the number of cards in your library"

FINALLY. Only took them 20 years.



Mine, Mine, Mine! .  I know it's a Un- card, but... 

Flag bay_falconer November 18, 2012 12:47 PM PST

Nov 18, 2012 -- 7:19AM, Enigma256 wrote:

Omniscience 's new best friend




Laboratory Maniac too. It's slightly less wacky than Demonic Consultation , but still gets the job done. (Especially if you have Omniscience out and two cantrips.)

Flag JohnnyComeLately November 18, 2012 1:04 PM PST
You: Tap out to play this.

Me: Sign in Blood , gg?
Flag bay_falconer November 18, 2012 1:15 PM PST

Nov 18, 2012 -- 1:04PM, JohnnyComeLately wrote:

You: Tap out to play this.

Me: Sign in Blood , gg?




Laboratory Maniac much?

Flag TEA_DEMON November 18, 2012 1:57 PM PST
i hope i'm not the only one that hates these ridiculously expensive and powerful blue cards.
Flag Pontiac November 18, 2012 2:05 PM PST

Nov 18, 2012 -- 1:57PM, TEA_DEMON wrote:

i hope i'm not the only one that hates these ridiculously expensive and powerful blue cards.




no your not, but I'm on  the other side of the fence YAY broken blue abilities!

Flag Dapperghast November 18, 2012 2:54 PM PST

Nov 18, 2012 -- 1:57PM, TEA_DEMON wrote:

i hope i'm not the only one that hates these ridiculously expensive and powerful blue cards.



Indeed, this card should cost .

Flag StatueOfLuberty November 18, 2012 3:49 PM PST

Nov 18, 2012 -- 2:54PM, Dapperghast wrote:

Nov 18, 2012 -- 1:57PM, TEA_DEMON wrote:

i hope i'm not the only one that hates these ridiculously expensive and powerful blue cards.



Indeed, this card should cost .



why white/black?

Flag MrIndigo November 18, 2012 4:01 PM PST
This is probably the worst design I've ever seen.
Flag Dapperghast November 18, 2012 4:12 PM PST

Nov 18, 2012 -- 3:49PM, StatueOfLuberty wrote:

Nov 18, 2012 -- 2:54PM, Dapperghast wrote:

Nov 18, 2012 -- 1:57PM, TEA_DEMON wrote:

i hope i'm not the only one that hates these ridiculously expensive and powerful blue cards.



Indeed, this card should cost .



why white/black?



Because of reasons .

Flag animatics November 18, 2012 5:42 PM PST
I like combos and crazy stuff and even an engine that it might allow me to draw all my deck. But I do not like this card...
Flag niheloim November 18, 2012 9:04 PM PST
Seems great if you discard an eldrazi end of next turn.
Flag Sorinclex November 18, 2012 9:08 PM PST
...I can't think of a single application for this, aside from Laboratory Maniac . I guess I'm not a true Johnny.
Flag Grumman November 18, 2012 9:20 PM PST
If one turn somehow isn't enough to win, how about picking Terminus as your one card in your library?

Nov 18, 2012 -- 9:08PM, Sorinclex wrote:

...I can't think of a single application for this, aside from Laboratory Maniac .



???

What do you normally do when cards are in your hand?

Flag RPJesus November 18, 2012 9:24 PM PST

Nov 18, 2012 -- 9:08PM, Sorinclex wrote:

...I can't think of a single application for this, aside from Laboratory Maniac . I guess I'm not a true Johnny.



Eh, it's not really a Johnny card (Well beond the whole "every card is a Johnny card" thing). Timmy is the one who's all "I WANT A CARD TO DRAW MY LIBRARY!" whereas  Johnny is like "No, no, break it into pieces and scatter them across time, it'll be fun."

Hell, it's not even new, Spike/Johnnies already took the deck to srsbsns magic with Angel's Grace Ad Nauseam into Conflagrate .

Flag Chamale November 18, 2012 9:32 PM PST
This card will fit very well into the Legacy Show and Tell + Omniscience deck. Put it in the sideboard to grab with Burning Wish , draw the deck, and cast the deck's two copies of Emrakul, the Aeons Torn a million times, using Preordain and Brainstorm to find them each time they get shuffled back into your library. I always felt that using two sideboard slots on the Petals of Insight + Grapeshot combo was a bit clunky.

This might somehow work in a Standard ramp deck. Once you cast Omniscience , cast this, and then use the new Borborygmos to discard all your lands for 3 damage each! Ramp hasn't aimed this high since the days of Kozilek, Butcher of Truth .
Flag Highwayman November 19, 2012 3:26 AM PST
I read Psychosis Crawler blah blah blah.

Now all you need is a way of casting it that isn't omniscience (cos THAT needs a way of casting it too).

Flag will_dice November 19, 2012 3:36 AM PST

Nov 19, 2012 -- 3:26AM, Highwayman wrote:

I read Psychosis Crawler blah blah blah.

Now all you need is a way of casting it that isn't omniscience (cos THAT needs a way of casting it too).




Jhoira of the Ghitu ?

Flag Highwayman November 19, 2012 3:38 AM PST

Nov 19, 2012 -- 3:36AM, will_dice wrote:

Nov 19, 2012 -- 3:26AM, Highwayman wrote:

I read Psychosis Crawler blah blah blah.

Now all you need is a way of casting it that isn't omniscience (cos THAT needs a way of casting it too).




Jhoira of the Ghitu ?




Works for me.

Also, sins of the past and spelltwine .

Flag SereneChaos November 19, 2012 6:37 AM PST

Nov 18, 2012 -- 4:01PM, MrIndigo wrote:

This is probably the worst design I've ever seen.




No, it's boring design. That doesn't necessarily mean it is bad design, or even boring to play. Some of us play very casual games at the kitchen table and will enjoy figuring out how to cast this, what to do with it afterwards, and just generally enjoy watching the stupid combo that comes from it. Stupid combos can be enjoyable to watch, even when you know how they work and that you've already lost.

Flag Rokukel November 19, 2012 6:38 AM PST
Well, this card is nuts. Feels like the blue counterpart for Worldspine Wurm , big ridiculous mythic mono-colored spell.
Flag Suudsu2200 November 19, 2012 8:08 AM PST
I don't watch anime, but a few of my dorm friends convinced me to watch "Gurren Lagann" with them the other day. I can assume at least some people around here have seen it. I didn't really like it. It was entirely boring because the premise of the show seemed to be "Here's some SUPER HUGE BATTLESHIP RAAAAWR" and after the effect wore off they'd just make an even bigger ship next episode rather than having a good story or anything else to care about.

That's how I feel wizards is designing things. Look it's a baloth but oh wait there's an eldrazi but OH WAIT there's a huge ass wurm BUT OHHHH WAIT DRAW EVERY CARD IN YOUR DECK.

I'm calling it. Within a year there will be cast your whole deck, followed by cast everyones' deck.
Flag Darkwolfer2002 November 19, 2012 8:28 AM PST
Then after this resolves I give you some more Inspiration
Flag AvDemeisen November 19, 2012 9:25 AM PST
Yay, another joke of a card taking up mythic slots.
Flag Doaj November 19, 2012 1:21 PM PST
I don't kn
Flag Doaj November 19, 2012 1:24 PM PST
I don't know if that was sarcasm, but I agree. I prefer nonplayable cards in mythic rarities because it helps keep standard inexpensive. When things like Bonfire and planeswalkers are playable, it drives up the format. I'd like playable cards at rare. Mythic should be for Battle of Wits, Door to Nothingness, Worldspine Wurm, etc.
Flag MrIndigo November 19, 2012 3:51 PM PST
Boring design IS bad design.
Flag animatics November 19, 2012 3:59 PM PST
Flag Weisse November 19, 2012 4:06 PM PST

Nov 19, 2012 -- 3:59PM, animatics wrote:



love it

Flag SereneChaos November 19, 2012 5:14 PM PST

Nov 19, 2012 -- 3:51PM, MrIndigo wrote:

Boring design IS bad design.




Grizzly Bears .

Flag RPJesus November 19, 2012 6:40 PM PST

Nov 19, 2012 -- 8:08AM, Suudsu2200 wrote:

I don't watch anime, but a few of my dorm friends convinced me to watch "Gurren Lagann" with them the other day. I can assume at least some people around here have seen it. I didn't really like it. It was entirely boring because the premise of the show seemed to be "Here's some SUPER HUGE BATTLESHIP RAAAAWR" and after the effect wore off they'd just make an even bigger ship next episode rather than having a good story or anything else to care about.



You've completely missed the point of that show. Well okay, there was a lot of over the top awesomeness, but it was also a lot of stuff about believing in yourself, and never giving up, even when there's a 0% chance of success (Plus a healthy amount of deconstruction o the giant robot genre and it's related tropes, even as it wholeheartedly embraces those tropes). 

Flag Suudsu2200 November 19, 2012 7:42 PM PST

but it was also a lot of stuff about believing in yourself, and never giving up, even when there's a 0% chance of success




But those are the most cheesy nailed-into-you-already ideas society spoonfeeds you day in and day out. Hell, if I want to hear those I can just watch MLP. Honestly, the average pony episode has more plot that this show did. All it was was just robots smashing each other with a complete lack of any kind of logic, suspense, or drama.

Flag JohnnyComeLately November 19, 2012 9:14 PM PST
So...I guess this is the idea here?


Turn 11: Enter The Infinite
Turn 12: Omniscience

You know another two card combo that can win the game in that same amount of time?

Turn 11: Fireball for 10
Turn 12: Fireball for 10
Flag Singe November 19, 2012 9:35 PM PST
Flag Grumman November 19, 2012 10:53 PM PST

Nov 19, 2012 -- 9:14PM, JohnnyComeLately wrote:

So...I guess this is the idea here?


Turn 11: Enter The Infinite
Turn 12: Omniscience



No. Omniscience lets you cast Enter the Infinite for free, remember? So instead of Turn 12/Turn 13, you cast Omniscience Turn 10, then Enter the Infinite Turn 10, then everything else, Turn 10.

Flag animatics November 19, 2012 11:51 PM PST

Nov 19, 2012 -- 10:53PM, Grumman wrote:

Nov 19, 2012 -- 9:14PM, JohnnyComeLately wrote:

So...I guess this is the idea here?


Turn 11: Enter The Infinite
Turn 12: Omniscience



No. Omniscience lets you cast Enter the Infinite for free, remember? So instead of Turn 12/Turn 13, you cast Omniscience Turn 10, then Enter the Infinite Turn 10, then everything else, Turn 10.




I think he was pointing that you can precisely do it the other way around since you get one card in your library to have another turn and you most definetly will have Omniscience in your hand.

I guess you can have 1 Elixir of Imortality in said deck to save face if something go wrong


Flag Mown November 20, 2012 6:31 AM PST

Nov 19, 2012 -- 9:14PM, JohnnyComeLately wrote:

So...I guess this is the idea here?


Turn 11: Enter The Infinite
Turn 12: Omniscience

You know another two card combo that can win the game in that same amount of time?

Turn 11: Fireball for 10
Turn 12: Fireball for 10



Actually, I think the idea is:
Show and Tell Omniscience onto the battlefield. Cast Burning Wish for free, fetching Enter the Infinite . Cast your entire library.

I want to see someone react to this with Cerebral Vortex.

Flag Grumman November 20, 2012 7:46 AM PST

Nov 20, 2012 -- 6:31AM, Mown wrote:

I want to see someone react to this with Cerebral Vortex.



Or Forced Fruition .

Flag LunaStik November 20, 2012 10:55 AM PST

Nov 19, 2012 -- 7:42PM, Suudsu2200 wrote:

 a complete lack of any kind of logic,



 What I thought the point was.

Seriously, I generally dislike the whole mecha-shows, but I loved GL, mostly because it didnt take itself seriously. The entire point of the show was a comedy, and it worked there. If you are trying to watch any comedy for theme/plot value, I believe you are doing it wrong. (although they always have some, it isn't the point) 

Flag Just_a_cleric November 20, 2012 11:08 AM PST

Nov 20, 2012 -- 6:31AM, Mown wrote:

I want to see someone react to this with Cerebral Vortex.



How much I would love to see the same, it means the EtI already resolved, so the player will probably have dozens of counters in hand.

Flag Suudsu2200 November 20, 2012 11:42 AM PST

Nov 20, 2012 -- 10:55AM, LunaStik wrote:

Nov 19, 2012 -- 7:42PM, Suudsu2200 wrote:

 a complete lack of any kind of logic,



 What I thought the point was.

Seriously, I generally dislike the whole mecha-shows, but I loved GL, mostly because it didnt take itself seriously. The entire point of the show was a comedy, and it worked there. If you are trying to watch any comedy for theme/plot value, I believe you are doing it wrong. (although they always have some, it isn't the point) 




But it wasn't funny. Where was the humor? Really big things? I don't think that counts as funny, especially when it's the only joke and is repeated over and over again.

Flag StatueOfLuberty November 20, 2012 12:37 PM PST

Nov 19, 2012 -- 11:51PM, animatics wrote:


(draw all cards...pass turn...battle of wits)



One With Nothing , then Psychic Spiral . 1 turn win mill deck and your cards go back into your library for BoW

Flag animatics November 20, 2012 12:45 PM PST

Nov 20, 2012 -- 12:37PM, StatueOfLuberty wrote:

Nov 19, 2012 -- 11:51PM, animatics wrote:


(draw all cards...pass turn...battle of wits)



One With Nothing , then Psychic Spiral . 1 turn win mill deck and your cards go back into your library for BoW




I "bow" down

Flag Keino November 20, 2012 8:38 PM PST
Ironically, this is the dumbest thing I've ever seen.
Flag RPJesus November 20, 2012 11:29 PM PST

Nov 19, 2012 -- 7:42PM, Suudsu2200 wrote:

but it was also a lot of stuff about believing in yourself, and never giving up, even when there's a 0% chance of success




But those are the most cheesy nailed-into-you-already ideas society spoonfeeds you day in and day out. Hell, if I want to hear those I can just watch MLP. Honestly, the average pony episode has more plot that this show did. All it was was just robots smashing each other with a complete lack of any kind of logic, suspense, or drama.




It has all of those. Granted that logic is basically "it works if you believe hard enough," but they stick to it and actually provide an explanation (Plus if you think about it, it's really just as plausible as "Wingardium Leviosa makes stuff float"). Drama I'm not even going to justify with a response (Well, I am, but my point is that comment leads me to assume you stopped after four episodes), since it could roughly be summarized as Rule of Cool and Mood Whiplash: The Animated Series. Plus it has some of the best villains. Hell, the villains are basically right, whereas the heroes rebuttal is basically "Nuh-Uh!" but you don't care because a giant robot just came out of a ****ing ring. Suspense is a dumb argument, because "everything works out more or less okay" has been done so much that even when a work breaks the mold, we don't find out about it until after the potential moment of suspense has passed (Although I think the show did have a few potentially suspenseful moments, and definitely subverts your expectations at times).

I mean obviously the show is built on machismo, and a giant robot show is gonna have giant robots, and it's cool if that's not your thing, but that doesn't make it a bad show. For example, I'm not a big fan of Ghost in the Shell (Although it's starting to grow on me), but I acknowledge it's a good show with interesting themes and such.

But it wasn't funny. Where was the humor? Really big things? I don't think that counts as funny, especially when it's the only joke and is repeated over and over again.



 It's not really funny in an "I FELL ONTO MY BOTTOM INTO SOME BUTTERSCOTCH" sort of way, more of a cross between deconstruction and parody. Like, a lot of it is just very tongue in cheek. For example, a pretty common trait of the Shonen genre is the hot blooded protagonist. So Gurren Lagann gives us the most hot blooded protagonist ever.
Spoiler: Show

who ends up not even being the protagonist
 
And yeah, the whole "Taking everything to 11" is part of that too. Hell, that's sort of the central theme of the show, but it's not like they're just like "Look how cool this is!" more along the lines of it becoming a key plot point later in the series and sort of the entire source of conflict between the heroes and the villains. 

Honestly I'd reccommend watching the whole show from start to finish before passing judgment (Or hell, episodes 1-11 even would give you a pretty accurate microcosm, though then you'd miss out on a lot of the plot), but either way whatevs. 
Flag Magicmeow November 21, 2012 6:22 AM PST
I doubt that I'll ever play this card, but it should've been name-switched with Omniscience imho.
It fits the name more.
Flag Mown November 21, 2012 6:45 AM PST

Nov 20, 2012 -- 11:08AM, Just_a_cleric wrote:

Nov 20, 2012 -- 6:31AM, Mown wrote:

I want to see someone react to this with Cerebral Vortex.



How much I would love to see the same, it means the EtI already resolved, so the player will probably have dozens of counters in hand.



Well, that has a lot to do with the setting you use it in. Yes, if you do this in Legacy or something, you probably have enough FoW's in your hand for the rest of your life. But at the same time, why are you playing Cerebral Vortex in Legacy? It was more for the casual EDH setting where you tap all of them lands to draw a bunch of cards, hoping to kill everyone on your next turn.

Flag Eonblueapocalypse1 November 21, 2012 9:19 AM PST

Nov 20, 2012 -- 11:29PM, RPJesus wrote:

Nov 19, 2012 -- 7:42PM, Suudsu2200 wrote:

but it was also a lot of stuff about believing in yourself, and never giving up, even when there's a 0% chance of success




But those are the most cheesy nailed-into-you-already ideas society spoonfeeds you day in and day out. Hell, if I want to hear those I can just watch MLP. Honestly, the average pony episode has more plot that this show did. All it was was just robots smashing each other with a complete lack of any kind of logic, suspense, or drama.




It has all of those. Granted that logic is basically "it works if you believe hard enough," but they stick to it and actually provide an explanation (Plus if you think about it, it's really just as plausible as "Wingardium Leviosa makes stuff float"). Drama I'm not even going to justify with a response (Well, I am, but my point is that comment leads me to assume you stopped after four episodes), since it could roughly be summarized as Rule of Cool and Mood Whiplash: The Animated Series. Plus it has some of the best villains. Hell, the villains are basically right, whereas the heroes rebuttal is basically "Nuh-Uh!" but you don't care because a giant robot just came out of a ****ing ring. Suspense is a dumb argument, because "everything works out more or less okay" has been done so much that even when a work breaks the mold, we don't find out about it until after the potential moment of suspense has passed (Although I think the show did have a few potentially suspenseful moments, and definitely subverts your expectations at times).

I mean obviously the show is built on machismo, and a giant robot show is gonna have giant robots, and it's cool if that's not your thing, but that doesn't make it a bad show. For example, I'm not a big fan of Ghost in the Shell (Although it's starting to grow on me), but I acknowledge it's a good show with interesting themes and such.

But it wasn't funny. Where was the humor? Really big things? I don't think that counts as funny, especially when it's the only joke and is repeated over and over again.



 It's not really funny in an "I FELL ONTO MY BOTTOM INTO SOME BUTTERSCOTCH" sort of way, more of a cross between deconstruction and parody. Like, a lot of it is just very tongue in cheek. For example, a pretty common trait of the Shonen genre is the hot blooded protagonist. So Gurren Lagann gives us the most hot blooded protagonist ever.
Spoiler: Show

who ends up not even being the protagonist
 
And yeah, the whole "Taking everything to 11" is part of that too. Hell, that's sort of the central theme of the show, but it's not like they're just like "Look how cool this is!" more along the lines of it becoming a key plot point later in the series and sort of the entire source of conflict between the heroes and the villains. 

Honestly I'd reccommend watching the whole show from start to finish before passing judgment (Or hell, episodes 1-11 even would give you a pretty accurate microcosm, though then you'd miss out on a lot of the plot), but either way whatevs. 




Read Berserk, plenty of drama and plot line there. As long you can deal with some disturbing imagery and situations. The manga is the way to go, since the short lived animated series stopped less than 1/4th of the way into the story line. They are working on a movie line for them though, the first 2 have already been released in Japan and the 3rd should be coming out in January. I believe around the same time the 3rd comes out in theaters in Japan they will be localizing them here to the U.S. in English, if you aren't into subs and whatnot. Definitely worth looking into if you like Anime/Manga but are looking for something a bit more "Adult" in themes and content.

Flag CommanderGreven November 21, 2012 4:56 PM PST
My favorite artists sister is wowing me more and more.

Also this seems like an insanely fun card. 
Flag Suudsu2200 November 22, 2012 4:34 PM PST

Nov 20, 2012 -- 11:29PM, RPJesus wrote:



It has all of those. Granted that logic is basically "it works if you believe hard enough," but they stick to it and actually provide an explanation (Plus if you think about it, it's really just as plausible as "Wingardium Leviosa makes stuff float").




Wigardium Leviosa has rules attached. You have to be a powerful wizard, recite an incantation, have magic in your blood, the object has to be somewhat small, etc. etc. A wizard could move a pebble easily but couldn't make an entire continent levitate. Contrastingly, how big does the enemy ship have to be before "believing in yourself" stops being enough? There isn't any limit; the show seems to think that believing in yourself is in fact the only thing that matters. At that point all suspense and logic is flushed down the toilet because the main character essentially becomes God. He can do anything by believing in himself, so nothing matters anymore.




Drama I'm not even going to justify with a response (Well, I am, but my point is that comment leads me to assume you stopped after four episodes), since it could roughly be summarized as Rule of Cool and Mood Whiplash: The Animated Series. Plus it has some of the best villains. Hell, the villains are basically right, whereas the heroes rebuttal is basically "Nuh-Uh!" but you don't care because a giant robot just came out of a ****ing ring. Suspense is a dumb argument, because "everything works out more or less okay" has been done so much that even when a work breaks the mold, we don't find out about it until after the potential moment of suspense has passed (Although I think the show did have a few potentially suspenseful moments, and definitely subverts your expectations at times).




I'll admit I missed a few episodes (namely where Kamina dies, which appartently is the worst thing in the entire world forever), but if a show is poor sans one or two episodes, then the show is not good. The death in the beginning of UP is easily the best part of the movie (in my/popular opinion) but the rest of the movie is still interesting, engaging, funny, and at the very least pulls it's weight. If this show depended so heavily on those few moments I missed, it can't be as good as everyone says it was. I also fail to see how the villians are the "best villians". The big black guy is just a strereotypical big-bad with an even more stereotypical "Snape was good all along". The anti-spirals were just other big-bads. Sure, they had motivations, and their motivations made sense, but they were confounded by the fact that the main characters gave zero s***s about anything they had to say. They might as well have had beeswax in their ears for all the differnce the anti-spiral motives made to the plot


I mean obviously the show is built on machismo, and a giant robot show is gonna have giant robots, and it's cool if that's not your thing, but that doesn't make it a bad show. For example, I'm not a big fan of Ghost in the Shell (Although it's starting to grow on me), but I acknowledge it's a good show with interesting themes and such.




Fair enough. I feel as though it could have done better in conjunction with the robots though.


It's not really funny in an "I FELL ONTO MY BOTTOM INTO SOME BUTTERSCOTCH" sort of way, more of a cross between deconstruction and parody. Like, a lot of it is just very tongue in cheek. For example, a pretty common trait of the Shonen genre is the hot blooded protagonist. So Gurren Lagann gives us the most hot blooded protagonist ever.
Spoiler: Show

who ends up not even being the protagonist
 
And yeah, the whole "Taking everything to 11" is part of that too. Hell, that's sort of the central theme of the show, but it's not like they're just like "Look how cool this is!" more along the lines of it becoming a key plot point later in the series and sort of the entire source of conflict between the heroes and the villains. 




I get the aspects of parody, but it got old fast. Each episode they just scaled everything up a unit and after a few episodes that gets boring. I don't see how the super-mecha-double-guerran becoming the super-mecha-triple-guerran has any real plot significance.




Flag Grumman November 22, 2012 10:42 PM PST

Nov 22, 2012 -- 4:34PM, Suudsu2200 wrote:

At that point all suspense and logic is flushed down the toilet because the main character essentially becomes God. He can do anything by believing in himself, so nothing matters anymore.



To be blunt, you're missing the point. Fiction isn't just about drama and suspense, it's also about style and spectacle. Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann isn't about making you question whether or not Kamina & Co will win, it's to look good doing it.

If you want to say that it is entertaining on the level of porn I would not argue with you, but I think you're going too far. To put it in Magic: the Gathering terms, just because you're a Spike does not mean that a Vorthos's appreciation of a card is invalid, or vice versa.

Flag infinight November 23, 2012 12:32 PM PST

Nov 18, 2012 -- 9:24PM, RPJesus wrote:

Nov 18, 2012 -- 9:08PM, Sorinclex wrote:

...I can't think of a single application for this, aside from Laboratory Maniac . I guess I'm not a true Johnny.



Eh, it's not really a Johnny card (Well beond the whole "every card is a Johnny card" thing). Timmy is the one who's all "I WANT A CARD TO DRAW MY LIBRARY!" whereas  Johnny is like "No, no, break it into pieces and scatter them across time, it'll be fun."

Hell, it's not even new, Spike/Johnnies already took the deck to srsbsns magic with Angel's Grace Ad Nauseam into Conflagrate .




I don't know, I consider myself johnny and the first thing I thought of was a deck filled rituals (primarily Seething Song ) and burn spells that focuses on getting out Galvanoth early in the game. Then using Faithless Looting to discard this and Noxious Revival to cast it for free on your next upkeep.

Flag desolation_masticore November 30, 2012 8:14 AM PST
Increasing Ambition or Diabolic Revelation work better with Omniscience IMHO. Unless of course you are cheating Omniscience into play, though they are still probably better in that case as well. 
Flag The-D November 30, 2012 10:42 AM PST

Nov 21, 2012 -- 6:45AM, Mown wrote:

Nov 20, 2012 -- 11:08AM, Just_a_cleric wrote:

Nov 20, 2012 -- 6:31AM, Mown wrote:

I want to see someone react to this with Cerebral Vortex.



How much I would love to see the same, it means the EtI already resolved, so the player will probably have dozens of counters in hand.



Well, that has a lot to do with the setting you use it in. Yes, if you do this in Legacy or something, you probably have enough FoW's in your hand for the rest of your life. But at the same time, why are you playing Cerebral Vortex in Legacy? It was more for the casual EDH setting where you tap all of them lands to draw a bunch of cards, hoping to kill everyone on your next turn.




New SB tech (with a Volcanic Island of course) against Omni-Tell...duh!

Flag Uhhsam December 3, 2012 2:36 PM PST
I'd rather play with Dream Halls than Omniscience if only because standard is dumb.

Skirge Familiar could come in handy if you like using mana, though.  I suppose some spells require it for X costs.
Flag RecurringMemories December 3, 2012 5:33 PM PST
I'm sure this has been said already but I don't feel like reading 7 pages;
Laboratory Maniac .  That is all.
Flag Sixty3Zero December 4, 2012 3:25 PM PST
My friend and I have been trying to pound out a deck for this card since I've showed it to him. Honestly, the only application available is Omniscience , Laboratory Maniac , and a crapton of draw spells . Also, green for ramping into Omniscience early.

Won't be "competitive" by any means, but hell if it ain't fun. 
Flag tonyto3690 December 4, 2012 7:10 PM PST
Completely worthless card except in limited and even that's debatable.

Unless there's a card that says "blue spells that cost more than 7 cost 5 less to play, completely worthless and unplayable.
Flag HairlessThoctar December 4, 2012 8:25 PM PST
Limited?

I can't remember the last time I saw a limited game reach the 12 mana mark.
Flag GM_Champion December 4, 2012 8:34 PM PST
Although everyone is saying monoblue, its greatest potential feels much more green to me.

Overbeing of Myth // Maro // Masumaro, First to Live

Green has the ability to amp mana like no other, making that high cost a breeze.

Smash an Elixir of Immortality .

Or Wild Mongrel your hand, then hit the bottle.
Flag Mown December 5, 2012 2:15 AM PST
I dunno, I'm sure OMNIDOOR THRAGFIRE will find a use for it.
Flag bay_falconer December 5, 2012 9:42 AM PST

Dec 4, 2012 -- 8:25PM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

Limited?

I can't remember the last time I saw a limited game reach the 12 mana mark.




Rise of the Eldrazi limited has before.

Flag HairlessThoctar December 5, 2012 7:40 PM PST
Fair enough, but that's the exception rather than the rule.
Flag Keino December 6, 2012 1:17 PM PST

12-post
Islands
Omniscience
Enter the Infinite

...and anything else, really.


I hate the design of this card so much.

Flag Eonblueapocalypse1 December 6, 2012 2:25 PM PST
Wonder how long it will be until someone tries to Boundless Realms into this and/or Omniscience .
Flag bay_falconer December 6, 2012 4:07 PM PST

Dec 5, 2012 -- 7:40PM, HairlessThoctar wrote:

Fair enough, but that's the exception rather than the rule.




True. It's also the only time in over a decade that I drafted green. Well, black/green, anyway.

Flag GM_Champion December 6, 2012 8:50 PM PST
I'm aware monoblue has Aeon Chronicler // Soramaro, First to Dream // Sturmgeist .

Psychosis Crawler is another option. It'd win you the game outright.

But I don't like the feel of monoblue as much as with green, which adds a special something to it.

Just thinking about a 60/60 Masumaro makes me grin (and Empyrial Plate would triple it).

EDH Jhoira is likely going to eat this up alongside Burning Wish .

As could the turn one win Omniscience-Wish deck I was talking about at the release of M13.

By the way guis, Long-Term Plans // Shelldock Isle (Hideaway lands) is the strongest combo for this.
Flag Mown December 7, 2012 3:43 AM PST
By the way, Long-Term Plans is unplayable.
Flag desolation_masticore December 7, 2012 6:05 AM PST

Dec 5, 2012 -- 2:15AM, Mown wrote:

I dunno, I'm sure OMNIDOOR THRAGFIRE will find a use for it.



Where? It has Increasing Ambition and Temporal Mastery . Once it has Omniscience down it has no use for this. Before it has Omniscience down it's just another dead draw, and the deck can't really afford dead draws.

Flag TranscientMaster December 7, 2012 6:18 AM PST
You're all thinking too small. This card isn't for Johnny to play with Laboratory Maniac and Gitaxian Probe s as an exotic form of self-mill. This card is for Über-Johnny.

You know. That guy who runs a 20-card infinite combo that he'll never draw all the pieces for in a game even if he plays for a million years?

This card is for him.

Keep on rocking, Über-Johnny.
Flag Mown December 7, 2012 6:25 AM PST

Dec 7, 2012 -- 6:05AM, desolation_masticore wrote:

Dec 5, 2012 -- 2:15AM, Mown wrote:

I dunno, I'm sure OMNIDOOR THRAGFIRE will find a use for it.



Where? It has Increasing Ambition and Temporal Mastery . Once it has Omniscience down it has no use for this. Before it has Omniscience down it's just another dead draw, and the deck can't really afford dead draws.



I don't know enough about the deck for my post to be entirely serious. I just like how there's this deck out there that includes about every wacky card in standard and calls itself good.

Flag StatueOfLuberty December 7, 2012 8:10 PM PST

Dec 7, 2012 -- 6:18AM, TranscientMaster wrote:

You're all thinking too small. This card isn't for Johnny to play with Laboratory Maniac and Gitaxian Probe s as an exotic form of self-mill. This card is for Über-Johnny.

You know. That guy who runs a 20-card infinite combo that he'll never draw all the pieces for in a game even if he plays for a million years?

This card is for him.

Keep on rocking, Über-Johnny.



i like micro-johnny...niv-mizzet + curiosity does the trick...even though that brings a lot of hate :P

Flag GM_Champion December 7, 2012 8:22 PM PST
I was just thinking,


Enter the Infinite + Masumaro, First to Live + Fling


=
Flag miss_bun December 7, 2012 8:28 PM PST
thats a terrible combo.

when casting a twelve mana spell with four blue in it, it can be assumed that mana is not a huge problem , but if you want to play an uninteresting combo that is pretty useless without ETI, surely soramaro, first to dream is better, since its on color.
Flag BankaiMastery December 7, 2012 9:09 PM PST
That was just for laughs. My serious combos are below (above?).
Flag Flopfoot December 7, 2012 10:33 PM PST
There are so many ways to win the turn you cast this or the turn after, so the real uber-Johnny thing to do with this card would be to just drop a Reliquary Tower and an Obstinate Familiar or similar, and then just keep playing the game normally as if nothing ever happened.

If you do want to play this card in a self-expressive or a competitive way it's more about figuring how how to cast it than what you're going to do after you cast it. No one's gonna tell stories about the cool thing you did once you had your entire library in your hand unless it's something really weird like a  Diviner's Wand that was equipped before you cast Enter.
Flag Tapsa December 9, 2012 6:29 AM PST

Dec 6, 2012 -- 8:50PM, GM_Champion wrote:

By the way guis, Long-Term Plans // Shelldock Isle (Hideaway lands) is the strongest combo for this.




That would work! :D

Also, this might be the best target for Sins of the Past .

Flag BankaiMastery December 9, 2012 3:53 PM PST

Dec 9, 2012 -- 6:29AM, Tapsa wrote:

Dec 6, 2012 -- 8:50PM, GM_Champion wrote:

By the way guis, Long-Term Plans // Shelldock Isle (Hideaway lands) is the strongest combo for this.




That would work! :D

Also, this might be the best target for Sins of the Past .




That's definitly another option.

In the combo I mentioned, Brainstorm is another option, and Windbrisk Heights is the easiest Hideaway to trigger.

Flag re4leonkennedy December 16, 2012 7:09 PM PST
I want to use it with Beacon of Tomorrows .
Flag Mackdi December 17, 2012 7:42 PM PST
I definately want to roll to a FNM with a UG mana ramp Boundless Realms into Omniscience into Enter The Infinite into Griselbrand, Nicol Bolas, and I suppose Laboratory Maniac. Im not sure if there is a better win then this. Griselbrand to draw out the last card, Nicol Bolas to deal with any permanent blocking victory if such will exist, and Maniac to win. This could all be in a Bant Control Shell. lol
Flag GM_Champion December 17, 2012 11:56 PM PST
If they ever make a promo version of this card (or a reprint), I hope they base it on the design notes and highlights for Dreamweaver Sol (see here).

The flavor-text will read,

"Don't just have an idea. Have the most climatic extraterrestrial metaphysical psychedelic Hippie one."
Flag Grumman December 30, 2012 5:08 AM PST
I just found another card that would be interesting with this: Shared Fate .

Grab a big handful of the opponent's library to play with. They're not in your hand, so you don't lose them at the end of your next turn. And if your opponent removes Shared Fate, they've just been milled for a ton.

Make the rest of your deck utility spells designed to keep you alive long enough to use Shared Fate and Enter the Infinite, leaving your opponent with a deck with no win condition.

Oh, and Archmage Ascension so you can draw from your library too.
Flag ChaosLight December 30, 2012 7:26 AM PST
I prefer shared fate + leveler and a deck with nothing but some tutors and ramp.
Flag The.Laughing.Man December 30, 2012 11:52 AM PST
If we're talking dumb combo uses for Enter The Infinite, here goes nothing.

Ramp to Omniscience
Cast Enter the Infinite, put back any card you wish
Cast 4 Worldspine Wurm
Cast Fervor
Flag StatueOfLuberty December 30, 2012 4:56 PM PST

Dec 30, 2012 -- 11:52AM, The.Laughing.Man wrote:

If we're talking dumb combo uses for Enter The Infinite, here goes nothing.

Ramp to Omniscience
Cast Enter the Infinite, put back any card you wish
Cast 4 Worldspine Wurm
Cast Fervor



Essence backlash a wurm or 2, in most cases thats GG!!! trollolol

Flag Anubuss December 31, 2012 2:21 AM PST
If you just fired this off, I think there's something better you can do than Hypergenisis.  Odds are you have Omniscience on the field so you're already have a 1-sided Hypergenisis set up.  If you can't find a powerful win-condition for your deck at that point....well, something is wrong.
Flag CadaverousBl00m January 6, 2013 9:12 PM PST
Spoilt officially today by WotC:


This means the four other mythics we saw (Aurelia, Borbor 2.0, Domri Rade and Hellkite Tyrant) are also now official.
Flag Banderbear January 7, 2013 6:08 AM PST

Jan 6, 2013 -- 9:12PM, CadaverousBl00m wrote:



This means the four other mythics we saw (Aurelia, Borbor 2.0, Domri Rade and Hellkite Tyrant) are also now official.




I find of figured that was the case when Wizards officially spoiled Domri Rade on Thursday...

Flag Dr_Demento January 7, 2013 11:48 PM PST
Meh, another insta-win card for Dream Halls deck.
Flag RorixCollector January 9, 2013 7:07 AM PST
Please don't let me open this magic gods.
Flag bay_falconer January 9, 2013 10:47 AM PST

Jan 9, 2013 -- 7:07AM, RorixCollector wrote:

Please don't let me open this magic gods.




The Father of Machines ; The Goddess Karona ; the trinity of Emeria , Ula , and Cosi ; the other Father of Machines ; and an angel who was totally not created by a vampire, honest hear your prayers.

Flag Moxxy January 9, 2013 11:17 PM PST
Am I the only one who finds the wood louse in the art hilarious?
Flag Vasarto2021 January 10, 2013 6:01 PM PST
Anyone here know what the prismatic Format is?

Yeah.....That combo with omniscience is GOD LIKE lol!

Play everything ever = win lol.
Flag Pigeon_Pupil January 10, 2013 6:08 PM PST
Usin' it in my Laboratory Maniac deck.
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