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Flag potentiallykevin November 18, 2012 12:35 AM PST
This is probably one of my favorite decks I have been toying around with, but I am having a bit of trouble vs the more aggressive RDW and Rakdos aggro decks even with 4x Huntmaster and 4x Thragtusk and also don't really know which role blue plays in the deck. Do I use syncopates and other counter magic, or more bounce oriented with cyclonic rifts, or go the tamiyo/jace planeswalker route. The decklist is a bit updated from this video (all the UW flash decks going around forced me to put in caverns and negates) but the core is still pretty much the same. Any advice is greatly appreciated!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S0TPK62NS4&list...
Flag Catotheyounger November 18, 2012 1:37 AM PST
The problem with such a deck is that neither of the elements is particularly powerful by its self.  For example, if you draw a peddler, it won't do much work without a staticaster, and if you draw a staticaster, it won't do much work without peddler.  Given a lack of strong dig/tutoring in the format, such a deck isn't really a good idea unless you just want to screw around at FNM.
Flag Jman22 November 18, 2012 5:15 AM PST
You are devoting 8 card slots to cards that do very little on their own (unless you play against Zombies or something similar), without a way to fetch them out of your library.
Its also really fragile, with half the combo being a 1/1 creature. 
Flag potentiallykevin November 18, 2012 10:59 AM PST
Actually I have found that if I pair peddler with basically anything in the deck it becomes quite the powerhouse, even huntmaster tokens. Izzet Staticaster is VERY underrated right now. There are plenty of relevant targets in standard plus the card draw and control in this deck is all about stabilizing until either you get the combo or one of your finishers hits the board.
Flag felisdomesticus November 18, 2012 3:48 PM PST
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Flag Catotheyounger November 18, 2012 4:02 PM PST

Nov 18, 2012 -- 3:48PM, felisdomesticus wrote:

Haha this is a terrible idea.  Quit whoring out your youtube channel on these forums, especially with **** decks like this.



Look man, that was unnecessary and rude.  His deck is kinda subpar, but you should try to help him get better instead of being an ass.

Flag Shadowdeux November 18, 2012 4:03 PM PST
Pirate music is always convincing to a quality magic deck build. 
Flag S1AL November 18, 2012 4:11 PM PST

Nov 18, 2012 -- 4:02PM, Catotheyounger wrote:

Nov 18, 2012 -- 3:48PM, felisdomesticus wrote:

Haha this is a terrible idea.  Quit whoring out your youtube channel on these forums, especially with **** decks like this.



Look man, that was unnecessary and rude.  His deck is kinda subpar, but you should try to help him get better instead of being an ass.



Flag felisdomesticus November 18, 2012 4:15 PM PST
Haha look at the wannabe ORC.  Maybe you can be doomtomb's sidekick!
Flag Catotheyounger November 18, 2012 4:31 PM PST
I'm just trying to be helpful.  Is that such a bad thing?
Flag tehbeast November 18, 2012 4:53 PM PST
What about Jund with Olivia and Peddler?
Flag felisdomesticus November 18, 2012 5:41 PM PST

Nov 18, 2012 -- 4:31PM, Catotheyounger wrote:

I'm just trying to be helpful.  Is that such a bad thing?



Well, we all saw how well that worked out...

Flag tehbeast November 18, 2012 5:50 PM PST
Stop hatin', felix.
Flag felisdomesticus November 18, 2012 6:27 PM PST

Nov 18, 2012 -- 5:50PM, tehbeast wrote:

Stop hatin', felix.



Haters gonna hate

Flag ORC_Cerberus November 18, 2012 10:42 PM PST
Greetings,

I have removed content from this thread. Please bare in mind that Vulgarity is against the Code of Conduct

Please keep the conversation civil and above all else, fun.

Thanks,  
Flag Catotheyounger November 18, 2012 10:51 PM PST
Well, there goes felisdomesticus.  I guess we'll see him in 24 hours...
Flag Jman22 November 18, 2012 10:59 PM PST
Seen more bannings in the past few weeks than I've seen in months. 
Flag Catotheyounger November 18, 2012 11:16 PM PST

Nov 18, 2012 -- 10:59PM, Jman22 wrote:

Seen more bannings in the past few weeks than I've seen in months. 



Catnarok has begun...

Flag pigknight November 19, 2012 5:16 PM PST

Nov 18, 2012 -- 4:53PM, tehbeast wrote:

What about Jund with Olivia and Peddler?




I like this guy's thinking.

But giving Olivia deathtouch makes it so she can't mind control or pump off allies.

Jund splashing blue for the Static in the sideboard?

Flag Jman22 November 19, 2012 5:52 PM PST
If you like that line, you are far more better going Niv-Mizz + Peddeler
Flag pigknight November 19, 2012 6:28 PM PST
Totally forgot about Niv. Yes, go with that.
Flag Catotheyounger November 20, 2012 7:10 AM PST
The thing with niv nightshade is that it's kinda winmore.  If you have niv out, you can draw plenty of cards, probably getting the removal you need.
Flag potentiallykevin November 20, 2012 3:10 PM PST
Yeah, I have found that to be the case. Still makes for a fun time, and isn't that what magic is all about? Oh wait, it is about the winning. I forgot.
Flag XIII13Thirteen November 21, 2012 7:22 AM PST
Seriously, now is the time to run Ultimate Price. Why are more people not running this card? It keeps cute stuff like this in check. And yes, someone will run this and totes make me mad. It shouldn't happen, but it does.
Flag Jman22 November 21, 2012 7:39 AM PST
People don't run Price because they are afraid of Thragtusk.
Flag The_Mirror_Owl November 21, 2012 9:30 AM PST
I understand what you're saying, but I don't think that's a legitimate argument against Ultimate Price.  All the other removal sucks against Tusk too; that's how he's built.  As long as Price hits most other stuff you need to be hitting, even crappy Terrors warrant use.
Flag Jman22 November 21, 2012 9:49 AM PST
I didn't say it was a legitimate reason. I just said it was a reason.

Aditionally, there are just enough multicolor creatures that make Price be awkward. 
Flag felisdomesticus November 21, 2012 6:12 PM PST

Nov 20, 2012 -- 3:10PM, potentiallykevin wrote:

Yeah, I have found that to be the case. Still makes for a fun time, and isn't that what magic is all about? Oh wait, it is about the winning. I forgot.



I love these kinds of posters.
"Hey, give me advice on making my deck better"
"Take out the bad cards"
"Actually, I want to play the bad cards because I find them fun, and I find fun more important than having a good deck."
"Then why are you asking for advice?"
"Because **** you, that's why." 

Flag Catotheyounger November 21, 2012 7:39 PM PST

Nov 21, 2012 -- 6:12PM, felisdomesticus wrote:

Nov 20, 2012 -- 3:10PM, potentiallykevin wrote:

Yeah, I have found that to be the case. Still makes for a fun time, and isn't that what magic is all about? Oh wait, it is about the winning. I forgot.



I love these kinds of posters.
"Hey, give me advice on making my deck better"
"Take out the bad cards"
"Actually, I want to play the bad cards because I find them fun, and I find fun more important than having a good deck."
"Then why are you asking for advice?"
"Because **** you, that's why." 



While this post was inconsiderate, there's no need for you to be rude.  I don't understand why you have to be so mean all the time, you're discouraging newer players.

Flag doomtomb November 21, 2012 11:41 PM PST

Nov 18, 2012 -- 4:15PM, felisdomesticus wrote:

Haha look at the wannabe ORC.  Maybe you can be doomtomb's sidekick!



Wow i cant believe after a few posts I've already got some fans on this forum.

 

Nov 21, 2012 -- 7:22AM, XIII13Thirteen wrote:

Seriously, now is the time to run Ultimate Price. Why are more people not running this card? It keeps cute stuff like this in check. And yes, someone will run this and totes make me mad. It shouldn't happen, but it does.



I respect your opinion on Ultimate Price but the reason people aren't running it because of multicolor in Return to Ravnica. And then there's Undying too. It's just not amazing right now in the format.

Flag felisdomesticus November 22, 2012 1:13 AM PST
Haha is this ***** serious?
Flag Burning_Forest November 22, 2012 9:19 AM PST
with regards to ultimate price, you're overlooking the most important aspect of why the card isn't very good.   creatures are too good and have too many CIP abilities for there to be any sort of favorable exchange.  

its still a valid card to run against certain well played threats in the format, like thundermaw hellkite, craterhoof behemoth, restoration angel, and a few others.  but that said, it's obviously no doom blade. 
Flag felisdomesticus November 22, 2012 10:19 PM PST

Nov 22, 2012 -- 9:19AM, Burning_Forest wrote:

with regards to ultimate price, you're overlooking the most important aspect of why the card isn't very good.   creatures are too good and have too many CIP abilities for there to be any sort of favorable exchange.  

its still a valid card to run against certain well played threats in the format, like thundermaw hellkite, craterhoof behemoth, restoration angel, and a few others.  but that said, it's obviously no doom blade. 



And doom blade wasn't heavily played anyways.

Flag Burning_Forest November 23, 2012 6:06 AM PST

Nov 22, 2012 -- 10:19PM, felisdomesticus wrote:

Nov 22, 2012 -- 9:19AM, Burning_Forest wrote:

with regards to ultimate price, you're overlooking the most important aspect of why the card isn't very good.   creatures are too good and have too many CIP abilities for there to be any sort of favorable exchange.  

its still a valid card to run against certain well played threats in the format, like thundermaw hellkite, craterhoof behemoth, restoration angel, and a few others.  but that said, it's obviously no doom blade. 



And doom blade wasn't heavily played anyways.



during its run, it paired with go for the throat saw a respectable amount of play.   (see UB control as far back as 2010)

Flag Catotheyounger November 23, 2012 6:48 AM PST

Nov 23, 2012 -- 6:06AM, Burning_Forest wrote:

Nov 22, 2012 -- 10:19PM, felisdomesticus wrote:

Nov 22, 2012 -- 9:19AM, Burning_Forest wrote:

with regards to ultimate price, you're overlooking the most important aspect of why the card isn't very good.   creatures are too good and have too many CIP abilities for there to be any sort of favorable exchange.  

its still a valid card to run against certain well played threats in the format, like thundermaw hellkite, craterhoof behemoth, restoration angel, and a few others.  but that said, it's obviously no doom blade. 



And doom blade wasn't heavily played anyways.



during its run, it paired with go for the throat saw a respectable amount of play.   (see UB control as far back as 2010)



As much as I hate to agree with FD, I think he meant immediately before rotation.  Although at the time, then only deck that even ran black was zombies.

Flag Burning_Forest November 23, 2012 6:55 AM PST
yea, i'd agree with that.

if doom blade were legal now, it would see much, much more play. 
Flag XIII13Thirteen November 23, 2012 8:35 AM PST
I'm just tired of Sorcery speed removal. So, tonight its Searing Spear and Ultimate Price. I think I can do decent with it.
Flag tehbeast November 24, 2012 10:07 PM PST
According to GP San Antonio 2012, Izzet Staticaster + Nightshade Peddler is a thing that is happening. x'D There needs to be a smiley that's laughing so hard that it's peed itself.
Flag Jman22 November 24, 2012 11:24 PM PST
The combo is fine, just fragile. If there were a GSZ or something similar in standard I'd be much more of an advocate for it than I am. That way you could run 2 or so and still be able to find them when you wanted.
Flag desolation_masticore November 28, 2012 1:30 AM PST
So wait, Catowner has been split into two new accounts (presumably following a temp ban or some kind of vigilante "justice")? One with his normal vitriol and one that apologizes for everything he just said?
Flag Jman22 November 28, 2012 7:13 AM PST

Nov 28, 2012 -- 1:30AM, desolation_masticore wrote:

So wait, Catowner has been split into two new accounts (presumably following a temp ban or some kind of vigilante "justice")? One with his normal vitriol and one that apologizes for everything he just said?





felis was around before cato got banned. And if it were Cato's normal vitrol, I'd be okay. At least when he was a dick about something, he'd tell you why, or it was blatantly obvious why he was right.

Felis has always just been wrong about stuff. 

Flag tehbeast November 28, 2012 7:26 AM PST
^
Flag Islands November 28, 2012 1:05 PM PST
These guys are humans.

I wonder if there is something here. 
Flag Burning_Forest November 28, 2012 1:20 PM PST

Nov 28, 2012 -- 1:05PM, Islands wrote:

These guys are humans.

I wonder if there is something here. 




5 color angel of glory's rise?  i seen 'em

Flag EyeballFrog November 28, 2012 2:00 PM PST
Angel up a Fiend Hunter, a Staticaster, and a Nightshade Peddler.  Put the Angel under the Hunter, then zap it with the Staticaster.  Fun infinite loop.
Flag Jman22 November 28, 2012 3:10 PM PST

Nov 28, 2012 -- 1:20PM, Burning_Forest wrote:

Nov 28, 2012 -- 1:05PM, Islands wrote:

These guys are humans.

I wonder if there is something here. 




5 color angel of glory's rise?  i seen 'em




Dont forget your chronic floodings

Flag felisdomesticus November 28, 2012 3:12 PM PST
You guys have got it all wrong.  I'm cat, cato is some random ****** who decided that it would be funny to make an account and pretend to be me.
Flag tehbeast November 28, 2012 4:11 PM PST
Prove it.
Flag FIRE_REIGN_2_02 November 28, 2012 4:26 PM PST

Nov 28, 2012 -- 2:00PM, EyeballFrog wrote:

Angel up a Fiend Hunter, a Staticaster, and a Nightshade Peddler.  Put the Angel under the Hunter, then zap it with the Staticaster.  Fun infinite loop.




How is the Staticaster untapping after the first shot?

Flag Jman22 November 28, 2012 4:53 PM PST

Nov 28, 2012 -- 4:26PM, FIRE_REIGN_2_02 wrote:

Nov 28, 2012 -- 2:00PM, EyeballFrog wrote:

Angel up a Fiend Hunter, a Staticaster, and a Nightshade Peddler.  Put the Angel under the Hunter, then zap it with the Staticaster.  Fun infinite loop.




How is the Staticaster untapping after the first shot?




It commits seppuku obviously.

Flag EyeHunter November 29, 2012 12:43 PM PST
Etari, knock it off.
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