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8 months ago  ::  Nov 17, 2012 - 1:49PM #1
nukeshooter
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Just curious as to how Godhead of Awe and Lhurgoyf (and similar) would interact. Which p/t would win out?

I thought it was whichever had the more recent timestamp, because Lhurgoyf has a p/t setting ability like the godhead, but wanted to double check. Thanks.
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8 months ago  ::  Nov 17, 2012 - 1:55PM #2
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Lhurgoyf is definitely a cda ability, godhead's setting the p/t, it's not a cda because it's not setting it for itself but both abilities set a p/t, it's the same layer so it's applied in timestamp order.
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8 months ago  ::  Nov 17, 2012 - 2:00PM #3
will_dice
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@Zoidberg: these effects are on the same layer but that layer has sublayers, and they are on different sublayers, so it's not about timestamp.



Lhurgoyf's ability is a characteristic-defining ability - it doesn't just set the p/t, it defines it. So it's always applied first, while Godhead's ability is applied later (meaning Godhead 'wins' here, Lhurgoyf is 1/1), regardless of timestamp order.



613.3a. Layer 7a: Effects from characteristic-defining abilities that define power and/or toughness are applied. See rule 604.3.
613.3b. Layer 7b: Effects that set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value are applied.

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8 months ago  ::  Nov 17, 2012 - 2:34PM #4
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Thank you for the answers!
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8 months ago  ::  Nov 18, 2012 - 2:15AM #5
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Nov 17, 2012 -- 2:00PM, will_dice wrote:


@Zoidberg: these effects are on the same layer but that layer has sublayers, and they are on different sublayers, so it's not about timestamp.



Lhurgoyf's ability is a characteristic-defining ability - it doesn't just set the p/t, it defines it. So it's always applied first, while Godhead's ability is applied later (meaning Godhead 'wins' here, Lhurgoyf is 1/1), regardless of timestamp order.



613.3a. Layer 7a: Effects from characteristic-defining abilities that define power and/or toughness are applied. See rule 604.3.
613.3b. Layer 7b: Effects that set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value are applied.



Oh, damn. Of course, and I knew that. I stand corrected, thanks! :D

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