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Switch to Forum Live View Could someone explain why green hates flyers?
3 months ago  ::  Feb 23, 2013 - 1:51PM #231
Cheza
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Well, basically there is no reason against flying in green. However, it's easy to differentiate the colors. And since R&D likes to reprint the same stuff over and over again, so they reprint green hate vs. flying over and over.

Every other color has more or less useful tools against flying. Red has burn, black has Terror , blue has flyer and white has flyer and removal. But green? Well, since green is designed as a stupid, P/T centric color, it's rather a necessity to print some hate cards vs. flyer.

But this doesn't solve the problems for other evasive abilities like fear, intimidate, unblockable, etc. There you have the same problems with green. Every other color can do something about it, but green is just too stupid.

There was a long discussion a few years ago and I mentioned the green uselessness against a Peacekeeper . Such a creature could stop green totally. Back then, I suggested to print an ability more often that should be similar to Gargantuan Gorilla ... and maybe even keyword it just to replace provoke a bit.... and right now, we have "fight".

It's a great tool for green against any control creature that wouldn't block or even denies attacks completely (see Magus of the Moat ). All those Plummet spells are completely useless in this case.

Whenever I design cards, green usually has some flying creatures. Flying should be a general keyword every color should be able to use.

I gave Green more archery effects (like Elite Archers ). Unlike the current green archery, it isn't limited to shooting down flying creatures. Basically, it's the green form of first strike. It's fantastic to stop creatures with intimidate as well. Green also got spells that do similar things.

In my "universe", the color with the least flyers is black. Basically this comes by the fact that for me, black is more a subterranean color. So it gets Crawlspace , Gravity Well , etc. Even demons do usually have other forms of evasion (f.e. protection from cmc3 or less || or Demoralize ).

In addition, Green got lifelink from white (since white got bounce and other stuff). In this way, it's garantueed that green can take the leading role and simply attack each turn.

So basically, next to archery, lifelink and fight, I have no space for such stupid things like fyling-hate in Green.
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3 months ago  ::  Feb 24, 2013 - 12:19PM #232
bay_falconer
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I think a lot of the issue for green (and now red) is that TPTB are all control players. A number of cards gave control the advantage early on, and so control players rose to the top ranks in tournaments. When WOTC started looking for designers, they looked to the tournament winners.

It may not be conscious. They just don't know what aggro and midrange need.

On the other hand, stuff like this says it is conscious.

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3 months ago  ::  Feb 27, 2013 - 11:41AM #233
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1 week ago  ::  May 11, 2013 - 6:17PM #234
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in a way I kinda miss bay_falconer

Apr 8, 2013 -- 2:06PM, Matt_Holck wrote:

firstrike



Jan 20, 2013 -- 11:33AM, Dilleux_Lepaire wrote:

Jan 19, 2013 -- 1:54PM, bay_falconer wrote:

Jan 18, 2013 -- 11:16AM, Dilleux_Lepaire wrote:

Jan 18, 2013 -- 9:19AM, bay_falconer wrote:


Ceci n'est pas une pipe.


This definitely doesn't mean what you think it means.


I was referring to the painting The Treachery of Images.


I know.

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4 days ago  ::  May 14, 2013 - 12:19PM #235
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I don't. When he wasn't trying to cram as manay memes as possible into any given post he was turning every thread he posted in into this one. Which was a problem when he posted in every thread.
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