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7 months ago  ::  Nov 13, 2012 - 3:11PM #1
alan2here
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I only use this as a guideline, but it seems that for creatures.

CMC = (power + defence) * 0.5 - 1

Then adjust by 1 or 2. Subtracting if there is a drawback and adding (just once) for usefull abilities.

However, then there is stuff like this Loxodon Smiter ?
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 13, 2012 - 3:20PM #2
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And how do you decide between adding or subtracting 1 or 2? Colored vs. colorless? Rarity?

Way too many variables for a formula this vague.
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 13, 2012 - 3:25PM #3
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2 if it has really strong abilities or drawbacks, otherwise 1.

I've tested the top 8 comunilty rated RTR cards agaisn't the formuli.

? - Don't understand the card well enough to evalulate it.
n/a - Formula not compatible with the card.
ok - Came out fine.
U - undercosted.
O - overcosted.

? - Angel of Serenity
ok - Armada Wurm
ok - Isperia, Supreme Judge
n/a - Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
ok - Necropolis Regent
ok - Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius
U - Rakdos, Lord of Riots
ok/U - Trostani, Selesnya's Voice
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 13, 2012 - 4:10PM #4
Escef
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Nov 13, 2012 -- 3:25PM, alan2here wrote:

2 if it has really strong abilities or drawbacks, otherwise 1.



Oh. Ok. "Really strong". Well, that clears things up.

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7 months ago  ::  Nov 13, 2012 - 4:59PM #5
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Some cheap cards are bigger with with bigger drawbacks: Eater of Days , Phyrexian Dreadnought

Some costly cards are small with huge abilities: Gigantomancer , Maul Splicer

There is far too much variance to apply a formula that simple.
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 14, 2012 - 10:38AM #6
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Nov 13, 2012 -- 3:20PM, Escef wrote:

And how do you decide between adding or subtracting 1 or 2? Colored vs. colorless? Rarity?

Way too many variables for a formula this vague.




Lhurgoyf, Nightmare, and Maro alone make such a formula impossible.

It also depends. When I say I don't like Archweaver , it's because it's a 5/5 with two abilities with negative synergy, arguably worse than Craw Wurm , for one more mana. If it had vigilance, it would be GILBIC, but as it is, worthless.

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7 months ago  ::  Nov 14, 2012 - 12:41PM #7
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Trying to find a formula is futile. To have a formula, there would have to be exactly one "correct" cost for a given combination of P/T and abilities, and this is blatantly not the case. They don't use any formula to assign the cost to cards. Instead, the cost is developed through playtesting, as they try to get the card, the potential strategies involving that card, the set, and the format as a whole to the desired power level (which isn't "exactly the same power level as everything else").
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