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7 months ago  ::  Nov 08, 2012 - 12:23AM #1
felisdomesticus
Date Joined: Feb 8, 2012
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So I was playing legacy for fun the other day (I normally play standard), and I dropped a turn 1 wild nacatl.  COUNTERED.

I hate how blue can counter everything for free, it's just unfair to every other color.  So, I think the only way to balance the meta is to ban force of will. 
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 08, 2012 - 1:02AM #2
EpicLevelCommoner
Date Joined: Sep 18, 2008
Posts: 1,762
Wrong.

Trust me, I used to think the same way . . . until I lost to the following sequence on Turn 1 on the draw.

1. Lion's Eye Diamond
2. Elvish Spirit Guide.
3. Tinder Wall
4. Pyretic Ritual
5. Seething Song
6. Goblin Charbelcher.

If anything, I'd rather have Lotus Petal and/or the Spirit Guides banned so combo has to go off after turn 1 guaranteed.
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 08, 2012 - 5:53AM #3
Anubuss
Date Joined: Mar 9, 2007
Posts: 5,158

Nov 8, 2012 -- 12:23AM, felisdomesticus wrote:

So I was playing legacy for fun the other day (I normally play standard), and I dropped a turn 1 wild nacatl.  COUNTERED.

I hate how blue can counter everything for free, it's just unfair to every other color.  So, I think the only way to balance the meta is to ban force of will. 




You just traded your Nacatl for a FoW, another of their cards and 1 life of your opponent.  Seems like a good deal, provided you had a few other creatures in and, and if you didn't, you probably shouldn't have kept that hand anyway.

But yeah, the format NEEDS Force of Will around, it's part of what helps keep combo in check.  My Zoo deck SBs 4 Mindbreak Trap for a very similar reason.

What Needed to be banned, got banned.  Mental Misstep .  FoW Requires you to have other blue cards to play for free, Misstep just requires you to pay 2 life.  It really would have been everywhere, if for no other reason than for decks to have an answer for the other guy's Misstep.


   
   
   
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 08, 2012 - 6:41AM #4
MadAdmiral
Date Joined: Oct 26, 2011
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Force of Will is very much not free.  You have to lose another card and a life to cast it without paying it's mana.  Be happy.  A bad blue player traded 2-for-1 for your crappy green creature.

The fact of the matter is that without Force of Will in Legacy, no deck other than Charbelcher (or Spanish Inquisition) would be playable.  If you aren't winning on turn 1, you'd lose to every other deck in the format that is winning on turn 1.  It wouldn't matter how easily disrupted the combo is, since there is no way to interact with it on turn 0.

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7 months ago  ::  Nov 08, 2012 - 7:26AM #5
AzureShade
Date Joined: Jan 30, 2012
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Guys, he's a troll from General that's moving down the forums looking for a meal.

Dec 18, 2012 -- 7:05PM, magicpablo666 wrote:

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in an thread with GM_Champion" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against AzureShade when card design is on the line!

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7 months ago  ::  Nov 08, 2012 - 3:51PM #6
Lord_of_fuddies
Date Joined: Jul 27, 2011
Posts: 917
Last time I heard, Yu-gi-oh was like legacy w/o FoW, why don't you go see?


Anyways, this guy, contrary to his sig, has been calling green bad in standard too.


I'd be thankful for FoW, otherwise, Zoo wouldn't even be a deck (I know you're playing Zoo, because that's the only deck that plays the Nacatl)

Zoo dies to combo decks, hardcore. FoW helps shut those down. So are you gonna complain about a card that makes your zoo relevant? I hope not.
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For Legacy, I'm trying too hard to break Pyromancer Ascension .
For Commander/EDH, I'm running The Mimeoplasm .
A little morals thing about me, I like winning through combos, but not infinitely.

However quiet, I am a Christian, so feel free to tell me you are too, it's always a relief.

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7 months ago  ::  Nov 08, 2012 - 4:20PM #7
SereneChaos
Date Joined: Apr 21, 2010
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I agree with the OP! Please ban the only card in the format that interacts with my Cheeri0s deck, so that I can go about getting better results at these tournaments.
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 08, 2012 - 4:43PM #8
felisdomesticus
Date Joined: Feb 8, 2012
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You guys just want to keep FOW because you all play blue decks. 
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 08, 2012 - 5:24PM #9
SereneChaos
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Nov 8, 2012 -- 4:43PM, felisdomesticus wrote:

You guys just want to keep FOW because you all play blue decks. 




I just said that I don't. You're pretty bad at this trolling thing. You should talk to hovercraft, Zokorad, and GM_Champion for pointers.

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7 months ago  ::  Nov 08, 2012 - 9:04PM #10
EpicLevelCommoner
Date Joined: Sep 18, 2008
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Well, that's your fault for playing the most broken creature ever . . . seriously, Nacatl should be banned not FOW.
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