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5 months ago  ::  Jan 02, 2013 - 12:47AM #631
Urzasapprentice
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I came in for someone who was silent before me and had the vanilla role. I wanted to come out strong regardless of how it would be taken. I can usually manage to fight off a lynch in most mafia games so I was never too concerned about that (although several times I had to resort to bizarre tactics). I figured, like many mafia games there would be plenty of roles in a group of this size. 

I thought it would be interesting to try to draw a lot of attention to myself, fight off the criticism and then let the role players get to the bottom of things. Along the way i was sure (at least at the time) that I could form coalition with the cop or another townmember that could lead to good lynches.

Unfortunately as often happens with text based interaction, things got muddied.

Nobody had much of a read on anything early on. We all had to vote by gut.

I thought Lobster was running with strange company early on and was confused. Then I felt confident that Zoko overplayed himself and switched by vote to him. This helped lead to a successful lynch. But, as can happen, more fears were created and even though I was on the right side of history there were still many doubts about who was the real UA.

At that point, I attempted to relax and try to build concensus. But I couldn't seem to get around some fantastic doubt surrounding me. We were in very good position and I was frustrated that we were fighting amongst ourselves. So I attempted to make several posts asking for others advise on likely targets and gave my own reasoning for who I suspected (keep in mind I hadn't much a clue who was mafia yet, so kept my reasons sparse as to not build false cases.)

Eyehunter was OBVIOUSLY the cop at this point and I picked up on his tell right away as it was quite contrived. Unfortunately AA and FTK would be the one's I would have to work on. I was prepared to do that. But such stone-walling lines as "95% sure not town" and  "I don't think he can tell me anything else relevant(or something similar)" made it seem impossible to bridge the divide.

I was also thrown for a complete loop (as well as several others) when FTK would claim my guilt and still vote for others that he said he was unsure of. This started leading me to believe he was Mafia. From that point on I was likely to vote opposite him as I didn't think he had our intentions in mind.

I felt like I could make progress on AA but he was killed before I could try to make a turnaround.

I was very inclined to go the lurker route but when CG emerged he threw many of us off. He came out fo the gate hard against me and then decieded to lurk while posting often on other threads in this very forum. Since I was already suspicious of FTK and I had correctly predicted he would openly support CV I was REALLY motivated to lynch CG.

I knew that if I was wrong then I could trust FTK.

I felt things at this point would be fine. I would announce that I trusted FTK and try to get back down to business, but then I was lynched by town. We were pretty close to hot water after that but you guys were able to navigate the troubled waters enough to come thru with the win!

Good job, i knew we could do it. 
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 02, 2013 - 2:23AM #632
tmich
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Dec 30, 2012 -- 2:32PM, tmich wrote:

If I was mafia(but I am not) I would have killed pigfans or PV tonight(the one that I would have know not being mafia,since you know I would know who the mafia was)(but dancers don't have nightkills),but I would still have time for changing my target if I wanted.




I suspected pigfans was either a survivor or a miller(town if investigated the cop is told he is mafia).

claiming dancer was an attempt to see if pigfans would claim that role(it doesn't exist).

Since he didn't react to this post I falsely believed he was a miller.

I might have killed you if you didn't claim and I didn't believe you were a miller.

I counterclaimed thinking I was the one being roleblocked .

I said I roleblocked FTK because I hoped he was a serial killer and was interested in killing the roleblocker (without 2 nigthkills he would arrive at lylo with the whole mafia dead.

Sending zokorad instead of me for the 1 nigthkill didn't have any reason behind that I know .

The exam I talked about day 3 is real.

Night 3 we would probably have killed Eyehunter so failing to send a nightkill didn't have any impact.

Zokorad post, before being edited said that exactly 1 member of the mafia voted him.

We killed rstnme because I hoped that pigfans was a miller and even if he claimed you would have lynched him having a night-kill to kill PV(that was bulletproof).

I was surprised that nobody noticed that zokorad never voted me back or that I knew a the role called mason,but  otherwise seemed a newbie.

I still don't understand why EH said CG and pigfans were not mafia on day 3 I suspected he was either a cop with those targets or a Paranoid Gun Owner(kill everyone who targets him).

I'm sorry for ruining the game for zokorad by having the cop investigate him night 1.


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5 months ago  ::  Jan 02, 2013 - 5:30AM #633
azuro_arcanis
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So, in case it wasn't clear from my night targets, I heavily suspected eyehunter was the cop going into N2 and pretty much knew for certain that he was going into N3.

I was actively trying to bait him.into claiming since it would mean that the mafia would be shut down for a night, then blindly fumbling for me.

Most of this game was me wildly misrepresenting my thoughts and opinions. After I identified eyehunter as the cop I was able to ascertain his N1 and N2 targets by his actions (Zokorad and UA). With a babyfaced already flipped, I trusted the results on UA to be accurate. Which is the reason I tried to present a large case on UA, and the 'eyehunters hiding something comment.'
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 02, 2013 - 5:55AM #634
Urzasapprentice
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Oh one more thing. I was unaware that we couldn't edit. But since FTK was pulling the strange angle I calculated I could ask a strange question and then appear to edit out the question quickly when answered to throw people off.

I asked something like"Can multiple roles win the game at the same time?

This caused quite a stir as several people read the preedited post but caused more intrigue to those that never read it.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 02, 2013 - 7:46AM #635
CommanderGreven
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Well it's nice to see Town pull it off.  I admit I was wrong thinking UA was mafia.  But at least I got it right with FTK.

I am certainly on board for next time if Tevish is going to do another one.  I want to start from the beginning as I think it will be a lot easier then. 
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 02, 2013 - 7:55AM #636
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All of you, was I really so obviously the cop? I was figuring that the mafia didn't get me, so I was hiding well. Mafia was killing vanilla after vanilla.

AA, I'm sorry about voting for you. I saw you trying to draw me out, and assumed mafia would be the ones looking to get me to claim early. I didn't think about the doctor.

Tmich, you guys would have killed me night three? Oh, AA was protecting me. Wow. Night three was a mess. Also, claiming a common while being an uncommon was a risky move, but it went well.

1sturnkill, excellent call on FFP, he wasn't on my radar at all.

Zokorad, I hope you see that some of the things I said about you day two were covering for my role.

Freddeh, Sorry for running you out so soon.

Pigfans, I guess not claiming was the right choice for you. Of course, as a self-aligned at that point in the game, any choice was good enough.

PV, sounds like RL keep you from your best, sorry.

Lobster did a lot of good work early on.

CG was hurt by badguy's actions.

TS, JD, thanks for running this.

I was pretty concerned with my own safety for most of the game. Probably more than I should have been, but that's a lesson learned. As I said early on (and then regretted), I'm terrible at reading people.  I'm eager for GateCrash. (I want to try mafia now)
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 02, 2013 - 9:05AM #637
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EH, day two I througth you were either a seer(a cop for a mafia faction called werewolf that is used in addition to the mafia in some games),a cop or a werewolf trying to bait a seer.

I think we killed shadowchu nigth 1 because killing a newbie day 1 would have been harsh, killing a Px2 usual user would have made FFP and PV stand out more and we were aiming for a lobster kill day 2.

After vampire mafia jehenna finished on Px2 I saw the amount of posts FFP made in those quicktopics and througth that one between AA and badguy killed him since they were the only two that knew how much he was really active.

I take the blame for the mafia awful nigthkill choices(PV was the one that spotted caseytan)except nigth 2 where I was away.

I'm surprised that izzet guildgate and izzet keyrune were in the setup and they weren't masons-neigthbours.

If PV,FFP and zokorad want to link the quicktopic I have nothing against that.

FFP has a no lie policy, I don't know if that is the reason he used that argument against lobster.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 02, 2013 - 9:15AM #638
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Thanks for hosting! Was nice to try a bit of Mafia again, though I must say having my extra vote show up in tallies made it a bit annoying to be Charismatic. I prefer the extra vote to be invisible and only count when it matters...

And good job town. I thought for sure UA was mafia at one point, but we had a cop who cleared him, which worked out well, I feel.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 02, 2013 - 10:23AM #639
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Jan 2, 2013 -- 7:55AM, EyeHunter wrote:

All of you, was I really so obviously the cop? I was figuring that the mafia didn't get me, so I was hiding well. Mafia was killing vanilla after vanilla.



I kept pressuring you on your claims that pigfans, CG, and UA weren't mafia (for reasons you didn't want to explain), so that if you were cop you would back down and shut up about making claims without explanation.  I was worried every morning after Night 2 that we would wake up and you would be dead.

I considered the possibility that you were mafia during day three, which is part of the web I was trying to work through that saw me winding up mistakenly killing AA that night.  I was NOT expecting there to be a Doctor, because in the post on Px2 that describes the roles, it clearly warns a would-be game master not to put a Doctor and a Cop in the same game (a warning that Tevish and JD can work around due to their experience).

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 02, 2013 - 11:13AM #640
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@Ftk, that refers to inexpierienced gms that were at one point required to host a basic game before more complex games such as this one. In those games town usually has 1or two roles, the rest is vanilla and the mafia only has their night kill and out of thread talking as their abilities, so a full fledged doc and cop can lock a game up. In those sitches a cop is usually run with an interference variant, usually a role blocker who would have to successfully target mafia to stop them from killing an outted cop, or a doc variant that can't continually protect the cop.

On the game as a whole I think most everybody did well. Kudos to tmich for holding down the mafia fort fairly well despite being on his lonesome for a good portion of the game. I know the position he was in kinda sucked but as gms, tevish and my hands were fairly tied since every time we geared up to replace Pere, he'd pop back up last minute and its not really our place to tell somebody they aren't contributing enough when they are the bare requirements.

Had Pere been more active, I could see this game having a drasticly different turn of events.

UA's "tank" tactic was a poor one for the town, methinks. At least for as long as he pushed it. Early game its a great way to breed discussion and generate reads on people. late game, as was the case here, it served as nothing more than a distraction to the towns roles, as the mafia was more than happy to keep letting him continue with things.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head, but for those that really enjoyed the game, I'd recommend heading over to px2 for a game, as there is no telling when the next one will pop up here. I believe there is a link in the op.
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