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Is it safe to assume the remaining mafia voted out cg? Me, tmich, pv, and pigfans? 

Dawn breaks, and yet another card has been removed from the pack: Urzasapprentice was Goblin Rally , Town-aligned Vanilla

Since the world did not end, it is now Day 5.  Day will end in 144 Hours (give or take)

Good luck everyone. It was a crazy ride. I think we can do this. We've got time on our side. Win it for the "jester"!

Cop Update: Rstnme is Town. (How do you pronounce your name? I've been mentally calling you Rist-nim)

Alright, the last thing I will need to do then is protect the cop for another night, so it's claimering time.

I'm the vig, and I killed FFP.  I am Aerial Predation , town aligned vigilante, and the only removal in the pack, as I was the 16th card given out and my role post hinted at my card being the removal that we "finally" got to.

As an aside, I have UA blocked now, because his personal attacks are over the line.  Just because someone thinks you're working against the group doesn't mean you have some kind of moral high ground or justification for calling someone the "worst player."

Not only that, but he continuously led people into bandwagons against the wrong folks.  Every claim of "mafia" he pursued was wrong; from Lobster, to AA, to CG, and to myself.  The cloud of noise that he populated this thread with made it extremely difficult to not merely find other real signals of mafia-ness, but even to simply think for myself.  Where I started the game with relatively clear signals to pick up on, the jester-like approach gave all the other real scum a cloud of confusion to hide in, and having to pick through that cloud was mentally anguishing.

The thing that disappoints me the most is that I used my Night 3 kill on AA after flipping a coin between him and PereV, under the *thought* that UA just might actually have some insight into things that were going on -- I gave him his fair shake then.  Needless to say, I was pissed.

And then, even after it was proven that one of the two other people marked as town on Zoko's list actually was town, and would have shown up as town to the cop, UA still led the charge against the other, and got CG killed.

 
Here's my cold ultimatum.  If the mafia does not kill me tonight, I will kill a second person.  Perhaps even if the mafia does kill me tonight, I may still get to kill a second person depending on the order of operations.  It's possible that both I and the mafia can kill at night, even if they do target me; in that case, if they don't kill me tonight (and choose to kill the Cop instead), then I will have yet another night to kill again.

So now, state your case that you are not mafia.  Because tonight I will kill the person that I think is.

Lynch me, and you will have lost your only protection from the cop getting killed tonight.

 
Finally, everyone claim.  Today.  I want to see your card, your rarity, and your role.

Rest in me. It's from an inside joke way back in high school. Kinda stuck.

I'm Concordia Pegasus, town aligned vanilla. 

Back from Shadowrun and realized I forgot to Vote: PeregrineV.

1: rstnme Claimed Town Vanilla, I see him as town
6: eyehunter, Claimed Cop.
11: PeregrineV, no claim
13: pigfans, no claim
14: caseytan, no claim
15: tmich, no claim
16: Firstturnkill, Claimed Town vig

Not claiming is pretty suspicious at this point, come on guys.

I was debating last night about the value of getting people to claim since people can still misrepresent themselves. After a while, the more posts and conversations the better because the more likely someone who has been deceptive will be likely to be caught as inconsistent or shady.

So here I am: As hinted by my clues in earlier posts I am Isperia Skywatch, Town-aligned with ability to Detain (role-block).

Oh and btw, Merry Christmas! 

Dec 24, 2012 -- 12:25PM, EyeHunter wrote:

1: rstnme Claimed Town Vanilla, I see him as town
6: eyehunter, Claimed Cop.
11: PeregrineV, no claim
13: pigfans, no claim
14: caseytan, no claim
15: tmich, no claim
16: Firstturnkill, Claimed Town vig

Not claiming is pretty suspicious at this point, come on guys.

How many players could cop totally investigate in this game? If not only one, would you mind tell us the complete sequence and result you investigate? You also didn't tell us which card you get.

BTW. Why we have to claim at this moment? I'm unable to distinguish who is lying. 

Dec 22, 2012 -- 12:04AM, EyeHunter wrote:

I'm claiming. Izzet keyrune, town Seer/cop. This what I know.

1st Night: Zokorad: Mafia. (Before this, I was just guessing)
2nd Night: Urza's apprentice. Town (I was told Town. Some of you are thinking he's just not Mafia.)
3rd Night: Azuro: Town. (The Mafia killed him this night. I was very upset.)

I'll tell you about this night, if I live. If we fail on this day, we lose. If I die, Good Luck.

Also Rstnme as town. He's the only one that matters now.

As for claiming, Seer/cop is probably the most dangerous role to the mafia, next would likely be the vig. We lose if we can't find a mafia this turn. Claiming gives us more information to find them. So I see two scenarios:

Scenario one: We don't find a mafia. Mafia kills 1sturn or me. We lose unless something very special* happens.

Scenario two: We find a mafia: The last Mafia 1sturn or me. Surviving town has at least one more turn to win.

*Vig kills a mafia or mafia tries to kill a bulletproof. Possibly something else could happen.

Well,It worked.

I'm Blustersquall, town roleblocker.

My targets were:

night 1:lobster667.

night 2:urzasapprendice.

night 3:caseytan.

night 4:firstturnkill.

It's clear that caseytan is mafia, so

vote: caseytan.

Thanks tmich. This is exactly what Town needs to win.

I doubt there is more than one role-blocker in this game so one of us is lying.*

Regardless of what happens now, we have a near certain Mafia kill by today or tomorrow:
1. If you convince folks to lynch me, you will be dead in the next day (since I will be revealed as the role-blocker and you to be the lying Mafia)
2. On the other hand, if people accept my argument, you will get lynched.

Both outcomes are good for Town because with few nights left, role-blocking is less useful than the Cop/Vigilante abilities. On hindsight, you would have been better served trying to claim a role the Town can't afford to lose.

vote: tmich

* The above is predicated on one key assumption - that there is only one role-blocker. If there is more than one, than tmich may well be justified in thinking the same way I am, and believing me to be the lying Mafia. This is highly unlikely, hence my vote. 

Caseytan, who did you roleblock?

1sturnkill, did you know you were Roleblocked  on night 3?

See, the claiming lets us collabrate each others stories.

Nov 7, 2012 -- 9:43AM, Tevish_Szat wrote:

Dead
4: Freddeh -- Rhino Token, Town-Aligned Vanilla (Lynched Day 1)
2: Shadowchu -- Survey the Wreckage , Town-Aligned Vanilla (Killed Night 1)
8: zokorad -- Daggerdrome Imp , Mafia-Aligned Vanilla (Lynched Day 2)
9: FFP -- Auger Spree , Mafia-Aligned Babyface (Killed Night 2)
3: Lobster 667 -- Wild Beastmaster , Town-Aligned Charismatic (Killed Night 2)
10: Febb -- Lobber Crew , Town-Aligned Vanilla (Lynched Day 3)
5: azuro_arcanis -- Trained Caracal , Town-Aligned Doctor (Killed Night 3)
7: CommanderGreven -- Izzet Guildgate , Town-aligned Vanilla (Lynched Day 4)
12: Urzasapprentice -- Goblin Rally , Town-aligned Vanilla (Killed Night 4)

Given some of these vanillas, I feel it's safe to say there's only one roleblocker. So Tmich or Caseytan is mafia. I'm going to reread the thread with that in mind.

My role-blocks (surprise surprise) were based on my suspicions of the day.
Night 1: Lobster
Night 2: UA
Night 3: NONE - missed this night, this was the same period when I had some real life matters to take care of.
Night 4: PereV

I just realized I was both lucky and unlucky in my role-blocks. Unlucky in that I missed the Mafia on both nights, but lucky in that I didn't role-block anyone with a useful night ability.

Btw, Eye, just so you know, we have yet to necessarilly ascertain you or FTK are what you claim, so readers still need to do their own detective work on both our stories.

That said for both of us, FTK's response to what he did on Night 4: will illuminate a fair bit.

For once, I am feeling a lot better about how things are going for the reasons given in my last post. We will have one Mafia kill within 2 Days regardless of whether Tmich gets lynched first or I get lynched first (if I go first and FTK is really a Vigilante, then we might get it in the night, depending on as he says order of operations).

OK, so this is interesting.  I have never received a PM from Tevish or JD that I have been role-blocked.  I don't know if I should expect one?

Unless mafia *also* targeted UA last night, which would be weird because he totally just led a rally against a town, I killed him, having not been privy to EyeHunter's information before I PM'd Tevish/JD (which I have done at the beginning of every night in which I sent out a kill PM).

But, if tmich were mafia, why would he even claim he role-blocked me?  He obviously knows that UA is dead, and I was pretty sure I made it obvious that I killed him in my earlier post.

Regardless, Unvote.  It seems we finally have caught a liar in our midst, which is far more dangerous than a lurker.

Two questions:

1. Anyone tell me what's the abilities of role blocker and cops?

2. If cops could investigate one player each night, why Eyehunter didn't tell us the complete process of cop's investigation?

FTK, I never thought about it until you mentioned it.

Mafia should get an auto-kill at night (they know who is/are Town). The fact that a Vigilante and a Mafia are alive at night and there was only 1 kill suggests 4 options:
1. Mafia & Vigilante targetted same person.
2. Mafia targetted UA & Vigilante did not act (only possible of FTK is not the Vigilante and is lying about his role since FTK claims to target UA)
3. Mafia targetted UA & Vigilante targetted someone else but was role-blocked (in which case, PereV is the Vigilante since i role-blocked PereV, which also means FTK is not the Vigilante)
4. Mafia targetted someone but was role-blocked & Vigilante targetted UA as claimed (in which case PereV is the next Mafia after tmich).

In Scenarios 1 & 4 - FTK is honest and is the Vigilante as claimed, but I am not sure if role-blockers can block Mafia kills since this is my first game, so not sure how realistic Scenario 4 is.

The scary thing is in Scenarios 2 & 3 - FTK is not the Vigilante he claims and is indeed Mafia, which I am struggling to come to terms with given how sure I was that he was Town up to this point.

Hrm... something I will need to digest for the next Day.

Dec 25, 2012 -- 6:02PM, pigfans wrote:

Dec 24, 2012 -- 12:25PM, EyeHunter wrote:

1: rstnme Claimed Town Vanilla, I see him as town
6: eyehunter, Claimed Cop.
11: PeregrineV, no claim
13: pigfans, no claim
14: caseytan, no claim
15: tmich, no claim
16: Firstturnkill, Claimed Town vig

Not claiming is pretty suspicious at this point, come on guys.

How many players could cop totally investigate in this game? If not only one, would you mind tell us the complete sequence and result you investigate? You also didn't tell us which card you get.

He already did both of these things.

Dec 22, 2012 -- 12:04AM, EyeHunter wrote:

I'm claiming. Izzet keyrune, town Seer/cop. This what I know.

1st Night: Zokorad: Mafia. (Before this, I was just guessing)
2nd Night: Urza's apprentice. Town (I was told Town. Some of you are thinking he's just not Mafia.)
3rd Night: Azuro: Town. (The Mafia killed him this night. I was very upset.)

I'll tell you about this night, if I live. If we fail on this day, we lose. If I die, Good Luck.

He then followed up by telling us he investigated rstnme, who he claims is town, as well.

BTW. Why we have to claim at this moment?

So, other than the fact that you just spent the last day as part of the bandwagon that killed CG, and you spent the first part of the game hiding behind the charismatic, you need to claim because a mass claim has been called.  It's the only way we're going to find liars.  Everyone needs to claim and town needs to claim and NOT LIE.  If you lie as town, you WILL be found out as lying, and then you are a definite target of a lynch, and you will have basically lost town the game by allowing the rest of the town to waste a day lynching you.

But, honestly, it's because there's a good chance I'll kill you if you don't.  And at this point, I don't mind being threatening.

Dec 26, 2012 -- 2:09AM, pigfans wrote:

Two questions:

1. Anyone tell me what's the abilities of role blocker and cops?

2. If cops could investigate one player each night, why Eyehunter didn't tell us the complete process of cop's investigation?

1a. A role-blocker can target someone at night, and that person's action (if they have one) won't work that night.
1b. A cop can target someone at night, and their identity is revealed to the cop.

2a. If you mean why didn't EyeHunter tell us about everyone he investigated...well, he did.
2b. If you mean why didn't EyeHunter tell us about everyone he investigated while he was learning about them...well, it's because the cop is a high priority target to be killed by the mafia.  A cop who claims very early is likely to be killed very early.

First,

Merry Christmas!!

Second, I'll catch up on the day today.

Dec 26, 2012 -- 9:02AM, FirstTurnKill wrote:

Dec 25, 2012 -- 6:02PM, pigfans wrote:

Dec 24, 2012 -- 12:25PM, EyeHunter wrote:

1: rstnme Claimed Town Vanilla, I see him as town
6: eyehunter, Claimed Cop.
11: PeregrineV, no claim
13: pigfans, no claim
14: caseytan, no claim
15: tmich, no claim
16: Firstturnkill, Claimed Town vig

Not claiming is pretty suspicious at this point, come on guys.

How many players could cop totally investigate in this game? If not only one, would you mind tell us the complete sequence and result you investigate? You also didn't tell us which card you get.

He already did both of these things.

Dec 22, 2012 -- 12:04AM, EyeHunter wrote:

I'm claiming. Izzet keyrune, town Seer/cop. This what I know.

1st Night: Zokorad: Mafia. (Before this, I was just guessing)
2nd Night: Urza's apprentice. Town (I was told Town. Some of you are thinking he's just not Mafia.)
3rd Night: Azuro: Town. (The Mafia killed him this night. I was very upset.)

I'll tell you about this night, if I live. If we fail on this day, we lose. If I die, Good Luck.

He then followed up by telling us he investigated rstnme, who he claims is town, as well.

BTW. Why we have to claim at this moment?

So, other than the fact that you just spent the last day as part of the bandwagon that killed CG, and you spent the first part of the game hiding behind the charismatic, you need to claim because a mass claim has been called.  It's the only way we're going to find liars.  Everyone needs to claim and town needs to claim and NOT LIE.  If you lie as town, you WILL be found out as lying, and then you are a definite target of a lynch, and you will have basically lost town the game by allowing the rest of the town to waste a day lynching you.

But, honestly, it's because there's a good chance I'll kill you if you don't.  And at this point, I don't mind being threatening.

Dec 26, 2012 -- 2:09AM, pigfans wrote:

Two questions:

1. Anyone tell me what's the abilities of role blocker and cops?

2. If cops could investigate one player each night, why Eyehunter didn't tell us the complete process of cop's investigation?

1a. A role-blocker can target someone at night, and that person's action (if they have one) won't work that night.
1b. A cop can target someone at night, and their identity is revealed to the cop.

2a. If you mean why didn't EyeHunter tell us about everyone he investigated...well, he did.
2b. If you mean why didn't EyeHunter tell us about everyone he investigated while he was learning about them...well, it's because the cop is a high priority target to be killed by the mafia.  A cop who claims very early is likely to be killed very early.

Thanks for your information. It seem that I do miss what Eyehunter post on Dec 22. As regards my claim of identity, I'm so sorry I can't, but I promise I'm not a Mafia. If you don't trust me, you could try to kill me. Emphasize again, I'm not a Mafia.

As either Tmich or CaseyTan is a Mafia, we could lych one of them casually. If the victim is a Mafia, you and cop could target PV and me respectively against one of you and cop is very possible to be killed this night.

 

Ok I've reread the thread and I have found the other mafia.

I don't think FTK is lying since we had two kill night 2 and if he isn't a vigilante then someone else would say he is one, so I have looked for other people whit a reason to kill UA and I think I found one!

The second mafia is Eyehunter.

By calling him town night 4 and then having him killed he arrived day 5 whit no alive people being confirmed town.

He then "looked" at rnsnme instead of perev,(that he pushed for the day before) to appear town in his eyes and have an easy lynch today(perev)( note that UA was one of the people against lynching perev) probably followed by a FTK lynch tomorrow.

Rereading the thread I noticed he unvoted zokorad on day two to vote UA together with zokorad only voting zokorad after lobster voted him, while if he kept his vote on zokorad urzasapprendice would have been lynched, he also tried to talk about seers that day.

Day 3 he called commandergreeven and pigfans town saying he didn't want to explain why, simulating an innocent result.

Similarly he proposed a vote for perev with little explanations on day 4 and without claiming trying to push all people who thought at him as a cop to vote perev.

He probably planned to claim vanilla after that, but since we didn't lynch perev he claimed cop instead giving us only a result on a player that we wouldn't have lynched and on dead players.

I don't see why a cop should hint at being one and hint at fake results.

@pigfans

No, you claim now, and so does perev.

Tmich, look at the way I switched after night 2. I went into it calling UA the most likely mafia, then defending him with a flimsy reason. "He didn't back down from supporting another mafia (zokorad)" is terrible reasoning, but it was all I could think of.

Tmich and Caseytan have not voted much, which is a shame. Tmich has posted more, but CaseyTan is claiming a family issue.

Here's some interesting posts, given new info.

Dec 12, 2012 -- 11:39PM, EyeHunter wrote:

People look like they're going to vote out UA next. I strongly urge against this. I'm pretty confident he's town. As I stated before, I don't believe a mafia would have risked staying so close to zokorad. Also, I feel he doesn't put much thought into his posts. A mafia would probably be more careful. There are others who are more susipicious to me.

Nov 19, 2012 -- 1:17PM, FirstTurnKill wrote:

rstnme, the mafia role is the one that gets to kill people at night.

Anyways, I'm keeping my vote exactly where it was at the end of the first day, and for the exact same reasons.  It's going to be another long day.

Vote: Badguy6

Nov 8, 2012 -- 1:14PM, tmich wrote:

-Catowner for having said the he will post rarely.
-Zoroark because hes prone to trolling.
-Me and Caseytan for the low post count.
-PelegrineV because the pros vote him.
-Catowner for having said the he will post rarely.
-Other pros because newbies should be able to play a bit.
-Other newbies  because pros know what they do.
-Nobody because there is noone left.
-The mod because they are still here.
I vote zoroark because he could do something stupid even if he is town.
Vote:Zoroark.
Ps.how often you will you post,Catowner?Do you think you will keep up with the game until the end?
Pps.Sorry for my bad english.

Dec 10, 2012 -- 2:55AM, CaseyTan wrote:

Dec 10, 2012 -- 1:08AM, Urzasapprentice wrote:

@pigfan-What do you think of the ideas from eyehunter and AA?

They posted some info on all the players?

Just realized my browser marked as read 2 pages of fairly in-depth posts by AA, FTK and Eyehunter when I logged on. Now have a little more information to narrow-down my list of people I am ready to vote for:

1. Very likely Mafia/Jester: UA. In his "helpful" attempt to get tmich to contribute, pointed tmich only to posts by eyehunter and AA which do not finger him as Mafia, while deliberately (?) ignoring a fairly lengthy and thoughtful post by FTK which did.

2. Likely Mafia/non-contribution: AA, PereV, Febb.

For the record, I believe FTK to be Very likley Town. Eyehunter and Rstnme to be Likely Town. 

Everyone else I have no read on.

For now, to avoid the risk that UA is a Jester, I am going to Vote: PereV (someone I mentioned both as a having a hunch of being Mafia, and combined with recent inactivity, even if I'm wrong, we don't lose much).

Dec 7, 2012 -- 1:08AM, tmich wrote:

Pigfans,I was going to vote for you,the first day zokorad attached lobster for voting you for a reasons he said was bad, but then unvoted when he esplained it was a joke and unvoted you.

Day two both zokorad and Ffp reasons to vote lobster avoided accusing you of anything instead focusing on hisvotes during the first day(zokorad) and bandwagons (Ffp).

You also didn't post at all after zokorad vote so you could be easily away during that period.

Then you stopped posting until now.

I think you are the most suspect of the lurkers,I'm willing to not vote for you until you do something strange(as opposed to other mafiates  defending or forgetting about you), but I will vote for you if you stop posting again.

It's also interesting that PV has dodged a lynch a couple times now.

rstnme: He's town or Babyface #2, Im sure. I'm still surprised that he didn't know the mafia killed at night. I used my cop-vision on him because of that remark.

eyehunter. I've claimed Cop.

PeregrineV: Has dodged a couple lynches. Claimed he was reading the thread a few day ago. I'm suspicious.

pigfans: His refusal to claim is keeping with his play style all game. I have no real feelings.

Firstturnkill: Claimed town Vigilante. No one spoke up and called him a liar, and everyone has spoken now. I'm assuming he's truthful, unless someone has another way the second mafia could have died.

caseytan: One of him or Tmich is a liar/mafia. He hasn't posted much, but what he has was helpful. He never really commited to a vote, which seems suspicious. Claimed Roleblocker first. Did not reveal Roleblock targets until after Tmich, despite 1sturnkill and I revealing ours in our claim. Why break from our style.

 tmich: One of him or Caseytan is a liar/mafia. low posts, but regular. Went for Zokorad early. Revealed Roleblock targets in first claim post.

Hmm... I went into this analysis, thinking tmich was the liar, and was trying to remove one of the town's power roles. After looking it over, I'm much more susipious of Caseytan. His targets were a vanilla, an unknown, and Lobster, the charismatic. Lobster still had double votes after night one. Mafia vets: does roleblock only work on night abilities? I would have assumed it would last until next night.

Until we have more info, I'm

Vote: CaseyTan.

But if PV doesn't reveal his role now, I'll switch to him.

Also, Tmich, we know there's a cop because there was a babyface. Everyone has posted since I claimed. No one has called me a liar.

Dec 26, 2012 -- 8:24PM, tmich wrote:

@pigfans

No, you claim now, and so does perev.

Not yet. I would like to wait for PV's claim.

Dec 26, 2012 -- 11:34PM, EyeHunter wrote:

rstnme: He's town or Babyface #2, Im sure. I'm still surprised that he didn't know the mafia killed at night. I used my cop-vision on him because of that remark.

Firstturnkill: Claimed town Vigilante. No one spoke up and called him a liar, and everyone has spoken now. I'm assuming he's truthful, unless someone has another way the second mafia could have died.

caseytan: One of him or Tmich is a liar/mafia. He hasn't posted much, but what he has was helpful. He never really commited to a vote, which seems suspicious. Claimed Roleblocker first. Did not reveal Roleblock targets until after Tmich, despite 1sturnkill and I revealing ours in our claim. Why break from our style.

Hmm... I went into this analysis, thinking tmich was the liar, and was trying to remove one of the town's power roles. After looking it over, I'm much more susipious of Caseytan. His targets were a vanilla, an unknown, and Lobster, the charismatic. Lobster still had double votes after night one. Mafia vets: does roleblock only work on night abilities? I would have assumed it would last until next night.

Vote: CaseyTan.

Lots of meat Eye, so assuming you are well-intentioned, here are my responses.

1. Re: FTK - read my last post. The fact that only UA died last night with both Mafia & a Vigilante being alive is somewhat odd, which depending on whether a role-blocker can block Mafia leads to a few scenarios. As mentioned, I like to believe FTK is Town, so laid out my logic for folks to see if there were folks that can help me improve the logic.

2. Re: why not reveal role-block targets? For the reason above. On the off chance that FTK is not a Town Vigilante but a Mafia pretending to be Vigilante, once I reveal I role-block PereV on last night (which led to no Vigilante kill), Mafia now knows PereV is the Vigilante, which threatens one of the Town's chance.

3. Re: my role-blocks beinig ? Read my votes before the Night, my role-blocks are always consistent with my suspicions. Now like I said, I was wrong on my suspicions, but I acted on what I believe. E.g., I thought on Day 1 Lobster was Mafia, when he was not killed, I blocked him to prevent him from doing anything. We only found out he was the Charismatic later.

Hopefully this helps the rest form an opinion.

On your last point, of switching to PereV - do not do that if you are Town*. One of tmich and I is lying, you will need to lynch one of us to find out who it is. If you are right, you get a Mafia kill today, if you are wrong, you get a Mafia kill next day, any other vote does not give you adequate information to be more effective as Town.

* unless you are not...

Dec 26, 2012 -- 11:34PM, EyeHunter wrote:

rstnme: He's town or Babyface #2, Im sure. I'm still surprised that he didn't know the mafia killed at night. I used my cop-vision on him because of that remark.

In the IRL versions I've played of this game, albeit fifteen years ago, the mafia manipulated the vote to "kill" town members, and day by day the town received new clues pointing out potential mafia or providing red herrings. Never played on a message board before, in the future (really, with anything) you can just call me out and I'll explain myself.

Anyway. I am a vanilla town. So Eyehunter's not lying. And if you question that, just look at me and my voting record; I'm currently a pretty low-impact player, I think the only person I've voted for that was actually killed was CG. I'm going to trust Eyehunter on this one and vote: Caseytan. Though part of me wonders if I had it right from the get-go to vote PV...

Quick rules question - are players alllowed to PM other players or are all conversations supposed to take place on the forums?

Only players whose roles specifically state that they are allowed to can talk to other players outside of the thread, and are usually provided/suggested a means to do so.

Quick vote count:

Casey: tmich, eye, rst
Tmich: Casey

It's absolutely important to claim, pigfans.  The only reason to wait for someone else is if you plan on lying.  You make it seem like your claim is going to be different by waiting to see what PV says first.  But your claim shouldn't be different; it should always be the same.

Anyways, PereV has been nothing but unfulfilled promises so far.  So, the two people highest on my list are PereV and pigfans right now for not claiming.

The next person on my list is tmich, for the fact that my target last night is dead.  The next person on my list is CaseyTan.  I recognize that one of these two needs to be voted out today for the matter of conflicting claims (if we assume there cannot be two role-blockers), regardless of my personal perspectives on them.

The last two on my list are combined EyeHunter and rstnme.  The possibility exists that they are both mafia, but I'm not so sure that's a very high possibility.

 
I would like to ask the game masters a rules question.  Would I have received a different confirmation if I was successfully role-blocked?  I don't know what I'm supposed to expect, that a more practiced player would know.  That is to say, would a player know if they were role-blocked, or would they not know?

Dec 27, 2012 -- 6:43AM, rstnme wrote:

Dec 26, 2012 -- 11:34PM, EyeHunter wrote:

rstnme: He's town or Babyface #2, Im sure. I'm still surprised that he didn't know the mafia killed at night. I used my cop-vision on him because of that remark.

Anyway. I am a vanilla town. So Eyehunter's not lying. And if you question that, just look at me and my voting record; I'm currently a pretty low-impact player, I think the only person I've voted for that was actually killed was CG. I'm going to trust Eyehunter on this one and vote: Caseytan. Though part of me wonders if I had it right from the get-go to vote PV...

rst - feel free to ask me questions. Eyehunter can be fairly sure about who is Town if he is either Cop or Mafia, so he can fairly easily point out enough Town to get people to believe he is Cop even if he is Mafia. I encourage you to come to your own conclusions.

I am not saying he is Mafia (I don't know for sure - the only one I do know for sure is tmich assuming there is only one role-blocker).

 

Yes, Rstnme, I only know alignments, same as the mafia does. So the evidence for me being the cop is my previous actions and the fact that we know theres a cop, but no one has disputed my claim of being the cop.


Pigfans and PV still haven't claimed. I could believe pigfans is a power role and convinced to hide it completely or maybe something like bulletproof, that doesn't help us much to claim. I don't believe PV has any excuse for not claiming. Unlike pigfans, he's an experienced player.

Nov 7, 2012 -- 3:01PM, PeregrineV wrote:

/in as experienced.

and I like Sealed too! 

So right now, I'm at about 75-80% on him, and near 50-50 on Caseytan vs Tmich. That's why I was thinking of voting on him. But the information we get from lynching one of them makes it safer. Remeber, the mafia will only be able to tie a lynch next day. If we should choose the wrong one, everyone should vote for the other of the pair as soon as they can on the next day.

Mods: When does this day end?

Since I believe the day is supposed to end soon, and I don't know when I'll have the chance to post again in the immediate future, and my question to the game masters remains unanswered, I will have to Vote: tmich, for simple fact that my night kill is indeed dead.  I don't want to sway anyone else's vote here, so go with how you feel, please.

And pigfans/PereV, at this point, you're both looking at the luck of a coin toss to spare you from getting killed for not claiming.

Dec 27, 2012 -- 8:46PM, FirstTurnKill wrote:

And pigfans/PereV, at this point, you're both looking at the luck of a coin toss to spare you from getting killed for not claiming.

(Of course, provided we lynch one of the two role-block claimers that is mafia).

Dec 27, 2012 -- 8:46PM, FirstTurnKill wrote:

Since I believe the day is supposed to end soon, and I don't know when I'll have the chance to post again in the immediate future, and my question to the game masters remains unanswered, I will have to Vote: tmich, for simple fact that my night kill is indeed dead.  I don't want to sway anyone else's vote here, so go with how you feel, please.

And pigfans/PereV, at this point, you're both looking at the luck of a coin toss to spare you from getting killed for not claiming.

At least I have claimed I'm not a Mafia. Just waiting for PV's claim first.

If what eyehunter and you claimed are true, and either tmich or Casey is Mafia, the left one is PV. According to the vote yesterday, tmich is much more possible to be a Mafia than Casey becasue Casey voted PV.

Vote: tmich

Pigfans, we need to know what card you are, too. Knowing what everyone's card is helps us catch liars.

Bump.

Another quick count:

Casey: tmich, eye, rst
Tmich: Casey, ftk, pigfans

Day will end in roughly 24 hours or if tevish comes back, whichever happens first.

Any way we can prod PV Before then?

I hope you all enjoy your extra day or so: I would have closed this early yesterday, but I was out computer access.

FINAL VOTE COUNT

Casey (3): Tmich, Eye, Rst
Tmich (3): Casey, FTK, Pigfans

End of day vote process: There is a tie.  the most recent vote is unvoted.  That would be Pigfans for Tmich.  Caseytan is lynched

CASEYTAN HAS BEEN LYNCHED.  He was Isperia's Skywatch , Town-Aligned Roleblocker

It is now Night.  Send all Night Roles to me before it's 2013.

I'll be Out of Town from 1/3/2013 - 1/6/2013 and probably won't have internet access.  I'll be opening day on the first, but you'll have to go to Jay for vote counts and questions those four days.

Crap. Okay, Here's my last ditch plan.

1sturnkill on Tmich.
Me on pigfans.

If Tmich is alive at the end of the night, everyone vote him immediately. If we get our votes in before the mafia, we can limp along for another day.

If tmich and I are dead, everyone on PV quickly. It has to be all or nothing.

If timich is dead, and I'm alive, everyone on PV unless I say otherwise.

Right now, I'm thinking

Tmich: 99% mafia
PV: 75% mafia
Pigfans: 40% mafia
1sturnkill: 15% mafia
Rstnme 1% mafia

I'll send in my night target in ten hours, so we can discuss the best plan from here.

I'm a dancer(thirt party)

pigfans and PV claim now.

If I was mafia(but I am not) I would have killed pigfans or PV tonight(the one that I would have know not being mafia,since you know I would know who the mafia was)(but dancers don't have nightkills),but I would still have time for changing my target if I wanted.

I don't believe you.

Also, what's a dancer?

Good luck guys! Go lynch some Mafia tomorrow.

Dec 30, 2012 -- 4:52PM, CaseyTan wrote:

Good luck guys! Go lynch some Mafia tomorrow.

Ideally tonight, even.

Dec 30, 2012 -- 2:32PM, tmich wrote:

If I was mafia(but I am not) I would have killed pigfans or PV tonight(the one that I would have know not being mafia,since you know I would know who the mafia was)(but dancers don't have nightkills),but I would still have time for changing my target if I wanted.

Why you lied yesterday? Which card do you get?

Dec 31, 2012 -- 12:15AM, pigfans wrote:

Why you lied yesterday? Which card do you get?

I don't think you really have room to ask this, ye who did not even claim.

Dec 31, 2012 -- 12:26AM, FirstTurnKill wrote:

Dec 31, 2012 -- 12:15AM, pigfans wrote:

Why you lied yesterday? Which card do you get?

I don't think you really have room to ask this, ye who did not even claim.

I don't think rejection of claim is worse than to be a liar.

Dec 31, 2012 -- 4:31AM, pigfans wrote:

I don't think rejection of claim is worse than to be a liar.

That's nice, but it isn't you that has the potential to vote for you or target you at night with a vig kill.

EyeHunter do you know that rstnme is town or you only know he is not mafia?

I was told town. So he's a second babyface or town.

Dec 31, 2012 -- 10:01AM, FirstTurnKill wrote:

Dec 31, 2012 -- 4:31AM, pigfans wrote:

I don't think rejection of claim is worse than to be a liar.

That's nice, but it isn't you that has the potential to vote for you or target you at night with a vig kill.

If you kill me this night, Mafia win because there will be two Mafia left in four alive players tomorrow morning.

Dec 31, 2012 -- 6:16PM, pigfans wrote:

Dec 31, 2012 -- 10:01AM, FirstTurnKill wrote:

Dec 31, 2012 -- 4:31AM, pigfans wrote:

I don't think rejection of claim is worse than to be a liar.

That's nice, but it isn't you that has the potential to vote for you or target you at night with a vig kill.

If you kill me this night, Mafia win because there will be two Mafia left in four alive players tomorrow morning.

That's why he should kill tmich, I agree. Also, I'd like to remind you all again that the mafia can only tie. We can win if we vote early.

Dec 31, 2012 -- 6:16PM, pigfans wrote:

If you kill me this night, Mafia win because there will be two Mafia left in four alive players tomorrow morning.

Maybe you should have considered actually participating with the rest of the town then?

Dawn has come, finding more cards removed... There are now very few of you left.

Tmich is dead.  He was Street Sweeper , Mafia-Aligned Janitor
rstnme is also dead.  He was Town Aligned, but there is no evidence of any kind indicating his card or role.

It is now day.  Day will end on Monday, January 7, 2013.

Wait, the mafia didn't target either EyeHunter or me?  Wut...

It look like safe now. I'm mountain, self-aligned survivor.

I'm also curious why the victim is not either FTK or EH. Maybe he has given up to win. 

Vote: PV

good luck town! Find the final mafia!

I've been told Pigfans is self aligned. So


Vote: PV.

1sturnkill, if you join us now, we can end this day before Tevish_Szat loses his internet.

What's the ability of Janitor?

Is there any complete rule of all roles in this game?

I wish pigfans would have waited to tell us what his alignment was until after you did, EyeHunter.  But, at this point, there is really no reason I shouldn't go full circle back to my first vote, and the first person that FFP defended.

Vote: PeregrineV

That's a majority lynch. Pere is lynched. He was the last mafia.

Town and pigfans win. Full specs and what not to be posted when tevish can get to it. The dead are now free to make any commentary they wish to at this time.

yeah, motha ****as, we win! 

Great success!  Will provide my own commentary soon, sorry for how rivaled things got between us UA.  But once I started, I felt I had to keep up appearances.  I'd hoped my non-voting for you would have clued you into that, but I'm not sure if it actually did.  You aren't actually blocked by me.

For what it's worth though, I actually wasn't sure if UA was mafia or town until my night kill on him.

Jan 1, 2013 -- 10:25PM, FirstTurnKill wrote:

For what it's worth though, I actually wasn't sure if UA was mafia or town until my night kill on him.

My real reason of refusing claim is to convince the Mafia that I'm very likely to be killed by you or lyched by town next day so that they will not kill me at night.  If CT were a Mafia, I would claim at once to avoid being killed by you. Anyway, congratulations and happy new year!!!

From now on, the first post will not be updated.

Here are all of the roles
Roles Show
NOTES: Janitor means that if tmich successfully made the NK, the town would not get the role of the victim (I made a big mistake about this once, when Lobster was killed).  Additionally, I phrased the Roleblocker as treating it as though any PMs recieved from the victim were not recieved instead, so roleblocking the mafia Don, who sends in the kill, would stop the NK while roleblocking the mafia player sent to do the killing would not, unless they were one in the same.

And night Actions
Night Actions Show

Jan 1, 2013 -- 10:23PM, FirstTurnKill wrote:

Great success!  Will provide my own commentary soon, sorry for how rivaled things got between us UA.  But once I started, I felt I had to keep up appearances.  I'd hoped my non-voting for you would have clued you into that, but I'm not sure if it actually did.  You aren't actually blocked by me.

No worries...we both got a bit ahead of ourselves I think.

Jan 1, 2013 -- 10:53PM, pigfans wrote:

My real reason of refusing claim is to convince the Mafia that I'm very likely to be killed by you or lyched by town next day so that they will not kill me at night.  If CT were a Mafia, I would claim at once to avoid being killed by you. Anyway, congratulations and happy new year!!!

My real reason for being so hard on you was to try and convince mafia I was going to kill you that night.

 
Also...damn, Shadowchu, sorry 'bout that.

Anyways -- Being Town Vig on your first game is ****ing stressful.  Just remember that if you're town, you really have no reason whatsoever to try to be "confusing" to others.  Mafia will laugh it off because they already know what everyone is.  But someone on town is going to have a seriously hard time deciding who to use their role powers on, because they don't have that luxury.

So, when you're all happy about faking out the mafia so that they aren't sure whether they know if you know who the mafia are, remember that you're faking out even more town.  And someone on town's side is stressing out over who to use their role power on.

Recap
Night 1; just before day ended, I flipped a coin between badguy6 and Shadowchu for low "meaningful" post activity; killed the loser, voted for the other.  I kept this concept throughout the game with a very heavy "Lynch all Lurkers" philosophy, which I consider to be an accurate philosophy.  At the beginning of the game, I envisioned two kills would provide more information than one, using a similar thought process as the reason to have a Day 1 vote.  I was not expecting rstnme to actually not know that the mafia had the chance to kill at night.  I was not sure whether I killed Shadowchu, or mafia did, or mafia didn't kill, or what.  But I knew that if mafia didn't kill, only mafia would should have been surprised that there was a kill.  I was hoping an inexperienced mafia-ite may have blurted that out.  I eventually stopped caring about this.

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Day 2; Kept my vote on UA because Zoko was already in the lead.  At the time, I expected at least one of the two to be mafia, so I didn't consider it necessary to switch my vote.

Night 2; FFP totally called himself scum through overanalysis.  Having perhaps forgotten that he himself was the second person to vote for me on Day 1.  When he claimed his reasoning for voting Lobster was that Lobster was the second person to vote for Zoko, and his experience told him that the second person to vote for someone was more likely to be mafia in smaller games than the third person on the wagon.  As soon as morning came around and he turned out to actually be mafia, I pretty much decided right there that PeregrineV was 100% mafia, having been the only other person defended by FFP.

Remember, FFP was the Babyface, under the idea that the Cop would be able to back up his "townness," and thereby everyone FFP defended would look less guilty.  He was also on Zoko's list as town, which is exactly how the Cop would have seen him, and given that AA and CG were also on Zoko's list as town, which is how the Cop would have seen them, that was yet more evidence that FFP was the body rhetoric to defend actual mafia.

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Day 3; I was almost positive here that PereV was mafia, but I had no way to actually get votes on him.  It was obvious I could use the Lurker argument, but Febb was a much more lurky lurker at the time, so I feared I would be called out on that fact.  I pushed for Febb with the full intention of targeting PereV at night.

However, something happened which I did not expect.  My throwaway vote on UA the day before became significant, both due to some poorly worded posts of my own, and UA's tendency to rain down absolute fire and brimstone on anyone that so much as pointed a finger in his general direction.

While I was certain about PereV, I also really, really thought that UA was the fourth mafia at this point.  So, most of this day I spent building a case against each of them  For PereV, I tried to build up the Lurker argument; and for UA, I tried to build up the "fundamentalist extremist" argument.

What kicked the crap out of me was EyeHunter coming into the thread and saying he thought UA wasn't mafia.  Like AA apparently did, I also figured that EH was hinting Cop.  Could I have been wrong about UA, or was I wrong about PV and really UA and EH were the other mafia, playing the straight man and the funny man bit?!  Holy God Almighty, was I wracking my brain all day trying to work through this web.

Night 3; I gave UA the benefit of the doubt.  Aside from me, there was AA that UA was also having a hard time with, and even if AA turned up town, it would should have solidified once and for all that CG wasn't, at least.  So, for the last time, I pulled out my coin and put AA on one side and PV on the other.  Here is my post to Tevish on night three:

As Aerial Predation , Town-Aligned Vigilante, I would like to make use of my role power tonight, much as I am sad to do so, targeting azuro_arcanis.

You really have no idea how bummed I was

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Day 4; After AA turned up town, and ****ing Doctor, no less, I was SURE that CG wasn't mafia.  I thought it would be a damn cakewalk to land a lynch on PereV now that Febb was out of the way and CG was all but cleared.  NOPE.

Night 4; I was still counting on being able to run a lynch on PereV.  I mean seriously, what did this guy effortlessly manage to avoid all game?  And STILL was a Lurker?  AND CG was town??  But sadly, I did not have EyeHunter's insight into who was really town.  All I had was the history of people's votes to use.  So who was fourth mafia?  I'm sorry, but things were really looking bad for UA at this point in my eyes.

As with every Night, as soon as I knew that it was Night, I sent in my night kill.  I did this mostly so that mafia didn't wind up trying to sway me at night.  And yes, EyeHunter, I was stewing over your post much, much after I sent in my night kill; and that's when you saw me reading the thread but not posting.  Thanks for that shout out...

Anyways, I wrote three separate opening posts for Day 5; one if UA turned out town, one if he turned out mafia, and one if he did in fact turn out third-party.  They all involved mass claiming.

It really wasn't anything personal.  I just had only vote history to look at, which I consider more important than post quality if it's available, and things just weren't in UA's favor.  Again, it wasn't my intent for the rivalry to flare up like that.  It really was just a throwaway vote on Day 2, but your ultra-defense wasn't working for me (it was tanking me, rather than mafia).  You have to understand that in every game where you are town, there will be another town that is SURE you're mafia.  If you point fingers at everyone that targets you, you have a much higher percentage chance of pointing at town, because everyone on town is working with imperfect information, and any random person that is suspicious of someone who's actually town is statistically more likely to also be town than to be mafia.  You can't just point at everyone.  The real mafia will just laugh it off.  For all your bravado that mafia was going to kill you at night, it turned out to be me, a town.

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Day 5; I was still counting on being able to run a lynch on PereV, maybe because I like running my head into god damn brick walls.  But, when tmich lied, I was floored.  Tmich was quite literally the last person I thought was mafia.  Good on ya, man.  Up to that point, I was totally convinced.  It even took me a while to recover between my Unvote and my Vote.  I may have been flabbergasted that people voted for CG on Day 4, but I didn't think it was out of the realm of possibility.  I really don't know why people voted for CaseyTan at this point, didn't I earn your trust?! /sarcasm

Night 5; tmich, duh.  But yes, at this point I was trying to make mafia think I didn't know who was mafia, and was more concerned with pigfans than tmich.  I figured we had all claimed, I shouldn't have been confusing anyone who was actually town now.

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Day 6; FINALLY, MY REVENGE

Jan 1, 2013 -- 11:50PM, Urzasapprentice wrote:

Jan 1, 2013 -- 10:23PM, FirstTurnKill wrote:

Great success!  Will provide my own commentary soon, sorry for how rivaled things got between us UA.  But once I started, I felt I had to keep up appearances.  I'd hoped my non-voting for you would have clued you into that, but I'm not sure if it actually did.  You aren't actually blocked by me.

No worries...we both got a bit ahead of ourselves I think.

There was a point where I was really hoping I was right, not for the sake of town or anything, but just because I was starting to feel like a real ass.

Sorry to triple post, but lastly, thanks Tevish and JD for hosting this

I came in for someone who was silent before me and had the vanilla role. I wanted to come out strong regardless of how it would be taken. I can usually manage to fight off a lynch in most mafia games so I was never too concerned about that (although several times I had to resort to bizarre tactics). I figured, like many mafia games there would be plenty of roles in a group of this size. 

I thought it would be interesting to try to draw a lot of attention to myself, fight off the criticism and then let the role players get to the bottom of things. Along the way i was sure (at least at the time) that I could form coalition with the cop or another townmember that could lead to good lynches.

Unfortunately as often happens with text based interaction, things got muddied.

Nobody had much of a read on anything early on. We all had to vote by gut.

I thought Lobster was running with strange company early on and was confused. Then I felt confident that Zoko overplayed himself and switched by vote to him. This helped lead to a successful lynch. But, as can happen, more fears were created and even though I was on the right side of history there were still many doubts about who was the real UA.

At that point, I attempted to relax and try to build concensus. But I couldn't seem to get around some fantastic doubt surrounding me. We were in very good position and I was frustrated that we were fighting amongst ourselves. So I attempted to make several posts asking for others advise on likely targets and gave my own reasoning for who I suspected (keep in mind I hadn't much a clue who was mafia yet, so kept my reasons sparse as to not build false cases.)

Eyehunter was OBVIOUSLY the cop at this point and I picked up on his tell right away as it was quite contrived. Unfortunately AA and FTK would be the one's I would have to work on. I was prepared to do that. But such stone-walling lines as "95% sure not town" and  "I don't think he can tell me anything else relevant(or something similar)" made it seem impossible to bridge the divide.

I was also thrown for a complete loop (as well as several others) when FTK would claim my guilt and still vote for others that he said he was unsure of. This started leading me to believe he was Mafia. From that point on I was likely to vote opposite him as I didn't think he had our intentions in mind.

I felt like I could make progress on AA but he was killed before I could try to make a turnaround.

I was very inclined to go the lurker route but when CG emerged he threw many of us off. He came out fo the gate hard against me and then decieded to lurk while posting often on other threads in this very forum. Since I was already suspicious of FTK and I had correctly predicted he would openly support CV I was REALLY motivated to lynch CG.

I knew that if I was wrong then I could trust FTK.

I felt things at this point would be fine. I would announce that I trusted FTK and try to get back down to business, but then I was lynched by town. We were pretty close to hot water after that but you guys were able to navigate the troubled waters enough to come thru with the win!

Good job, i knew we could do it. 

Dec 30, 2012 -- 2:32PM, tmich wrote:

If I was mafia(but I am not) I would have killed pigfans or PV tonight(the one that I would have know not being mafia,since you know I would know who the mafia was)(but dancers don't have nightkills),but I would still have time for changing my target if I wanted.

I suspected pigfans was either a survivor or a miller(town if investigated the cop is told he is mafia).

claiming dancer was an attempt to see if pigfans would claim that role(it doesn't exist).

Since he didn't react to this post I falsely believed he was a miller.

I might have killed you if you didn't claim and I didn't believe you were a miller.

I counterclaimed thinking I was the one being roleblocked .

I said I roleblocked FTK because I hoped he was a serial killer and was interested in killing the roleblocker (without 2 nigthkills he would arrive at lylo with the whole mafia dead.

Sending zokorad instead of me for the 1 nigthkill didn't have any reason behind that I know .

The exam I talked about day 3 is real.

Night 3 we would probably have killed Eyehunter so failing to send a nightkill didn't have any impact.

Zokorad post, before being edited said that exactly 1 member of the mafia voted him.

We killed rstnme because I hoped that pigfans was a miller and even if he claimed you would have lynched him having a night-kill to kill PV(that was bulletproof).

I was surprised that nobody noticed that zokorad never voted me back or that I knew a the role called mason,but  otherwise seemed a newbie.

I still don't understand why EH said CG and pigfans were not mafia on day 3 I suspected he was either a cop with those targets or a Paranoid Gun Owner(kill everyone who targets him).

I'm sorry for ruining the game for zokorad by having the cop investigate him night 1.

So, in case it wasn't clear from my night targets, I heavily suspected eyehunter was the cop going into N2 and pretty much knew for certain that he was going into N3.

I was actively trying to bait him.into claiming since it would mean that the mafia would be shut down for a night, then blindly fumbling for me.

Most of this game was me wildly misrepresenting my thoughts and opinions. After I identified eyehunter as the cop I was able to ascertain his N1 and N2 targets by his actions (Zokorad and UA). With a babyfaced already flipped, I trusted the results on UA to be accurate. Which is the reason I tried to present a large case on UA, and the 'eyehunters hiding something comment.'

Oh one more thing. I was unaware that we couldn't edit. But since FTK was pulling the strange angle I calculated I could ask a strange question and then appear to edit out the question quickly when answered to throw people off.

I asked something like"Can multiple roles win the game at the same time?

This caused quite a stir as several people read the preedited post but caused more intrigue to those that never read it.

Well it's nice to see Town pull it off.  I admit I was wrong thinking UA was mafia.  But at least I got it right with FTK.

I am certainly on board for next time if Tevish is going to do another one.  I want to start from the beginning as I think it will be a lot easier then. 

All of you, was I really so obviously the cop? I was figuring that the mafia didn't get me, so I was hiding well. Mafia was killing vanilla after vanilla.

AA, I'm sorry about voting for you. I saw you trying to draw me out, and assumed mafia would be the ones looking to get me to claim early. I didn't think about the doctor.

Tmich, you guys would have killed me night three? Oh, AA was protecting me. Wow. Night three was a mess. Also, claiming a common while being an uncommon was a risky move, but it went well.

1sturnkill, excellent call on FFP, he wasn't on my radar at all.

Zokorad, I hope you see that some of the things I said about you day two were covering for my role.

Freddeh, Sorry for running you out so soon.

Pigfans, I guess not claiming was the right choice for you. Of course, as a self-aligned at that point in the game, any choice was good enough.

PV, sounds like RL keep you from your best, sorry.

Lobster did a lot of good work early on.

CG was hurt by badguy's actions.

TS, JD, thanks for running this.

I was pretty concerned with my own safety for most of the game. Probably more than I should have been, but that's a lesson learned. As I said early on (and then regretted), I'm terrible at reading people.  I'm eager for GateCrash. (I want to try mafia now)

EH, day two I througth you were either a seer(a cop for a mafia faction called werewolf that is used in addition to the mafia in some games),a cop or a werewolf trying to bait a seer.

I think we killed shadowchu nigth 1 because killing a newbie day 1 would have been harsh, killing a Px2 usual user would have made FFP and PV stand out more and we were aiming for a lobster kill day 2.

After vampire mafia jehenna finished on Px2 I saw the amount of posts FFP made in those quicktopics and througth that one between AA and badguy killed him since they were the only two that knew how much he was really active.

I take the blame for the mafia awful nigthkill choices(PV was the one that spotted caseytan)except nigth 2 where I was away.

I'm surprised that izzet guildgate and izzet keyrune were in the setup and they weren't masons-neigthbours.

If PV,FFP and zokorad want to link the quicktopic I have nothing against that.

FFP has a no lie policy, I don't know if that is the reason he used that argument against lobster.

Thanks for hosting! Was nice to try a bit of Mafia again, though I must say having my extra vote show up in tallies made it a bit annoying to be Charismatic. I prefer the extra vote to be invisible and only count when it matters...

And good job town. I thought for sure UA was mafia at one point, but we had a cop who cleared him, which worked out well, I feel.

Jan 2, 2013 -- 7:55AM, EyeHunter wrote:

All of you, was I really so obviously the cop? I was figuring that the mafia didn't get me, so I was hiding well. Mafia was killing vanilla after vanilla.

I kept pressuring you on your claims that pigfans, CG, and UA weren't mafia (for reasons you didn't want to explain), so that if you were cop you would back down and shut up about making claims without explanation.  I was worried every morning after Night 2 that we would wake up and you would be dead.

I considered the possibility that you were mafia during day three, which is part of the web I was trying to work through that saw me winding up mistakenly killing AA that night.  I was NOT expecting there to be a Doctor, because in the post on Px2 that describes the roles, it clearly warns a would-be game master not to put a Doctor and a Cop in the same game (a warning that Tevish and JD can work around due to their experience).

@Ftk, that refers to inexpierienced gms that were at one point required to host a basic game before more complex games such as this one. In those games town usually has 1or two roles, the rest is vanilla and the mafia only has their night kill and out of thread talking as their abilities, so a full fledged doc and cop can lock a game up. In those sitches a cop is usually run with an interference variant, usually a role blocker who would have to successfully target mafia to stop them from killing an outted cop, or a doc variant that can't continually protect the cop.

On the game as a whole I think most everybody did well. Kudos to tmich for holding down the mafia fort fairly well despite being on his lonesome for a good portion of the game. I know the position he was in kinda sucked but as gms, tevish and my hands were fairly tied since every time we geared up to replace Pere, he'd pop back up last minute and its not really our place to tell somebody they aren't contributing enough when they are the bare requirements.

Had Pere been more active, I could see this game having a drasticly different turn of events.

UA's "tank" tactic was a poor one for the town, methinks. At least for as long as he pushed it. Early game its a great way to breed discussion and generate reads on people. late game, as was the case here, it served as nothing more than a distraction to the towns roles, as the mafia was more than happy to keep letting him continue with things.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head, but for those that really enjoyed the game, I'd recommend heading over to px2 for a game, as there is no telling when the next one will pop up here. I believe there is a link in the op.

As a newbie, I have to say this was a little confusing, but mostly really fun. I'm a little bummed people weren't posting consistently, and now that I have the general feel of it would love to try another game... especially one not over the holiday.

Anyway, thanks for playing, I had a lot of fun. Should've kept my vote on PV in the beginning, oh well.

Mafia QT:

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Also Final thoughts on some players:

Tmich: Not a good player, Mafia should never vote for other Mafia.
Eyehunter: If you want to sound like a smart person, use no outside of game info on your choices.  Try to convince people based on early game actions.
Peregrine V: Voting early is a very bad idea, they are usually always scum.
Azuro Arcanis: I am suprised by no Mafia orders to kill you, you looked more Cop to me that the real Cop.

@zoko, its actually a good idea for mafia to vote mafia. It hours the lines for the town so that when a mafia member dies, its harder to draw connections to other players. And there will be points in the game where you have to turn on your mafia brothers, so subtly attacking them before that won't create an extreme 180 in your behavior, blurring those lines again.

For what it's worth, if a person gets roleblocked, would they normally receive a PM telling them that?  Or would they receive a PM telling them they were successful?

Every PM I received from Tevish just said, "done" -- would I have gotten the same thing if I was actually roleblocked?

That was probably just tevish confirming he received your info. I can't say for sure. Mostly its mod and design dependant, as is the case with the charasmatic. In most cases the gm will decide which he is going to use based on how powerful he wants the role to be.

Jan 2, 2013 -- 12:49PM, Zokorad wrote:

Mafia QT:

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Also Final thoughts on some players:

Tmich: Not a good player, Mafia should never vote for other Mafia.
Eyehunter: If you want to sound like a smart person, use no outside of game info on your choices.  Try to convince people based on early game actions.
Peregrine V: Voting early is a very bad idea, they are usually always scum.
Azuro Arcanis: I am suprised by no Mafia orders to kill you, you looked more Cop to me that the real Cop.

Huh, that's interesting. I guess wasn't hiding as well as I though. Also, I was specifically not trying to sound smart as part of my hiding. It seems that was a wrong choice. I would have voted for tmich on the second to last day if  he hadn't voted for you.

Yep, so first off a big props to Tevish & JD for hosting. My first game of Mafia great fun.

It was actually quite confusing for me. 

1. I didn't seem to get that EH was cop, and even to the end, I still had my suspicions. What were some of his posts that telegraphed it? Maybe this is why this game relates to Paranoia?

2. Towards the end during the tmich incident, I was initially all indignant that other folks doubted my sincere efforts to be honest and open. Then, when I reflected on the nature of the game, I could sit back and watch with amusement as I realized everyone else really was just working off whatever limited information they had and trying their best too!

I still don't know how best to defend oneself when you are falsely accused of being a Mafia, and I guess that's real life as well. People will see what they want to see as they have usually already made up their mind.

Thanks again and happy New Year!



 

Jan 2, 2013 -- 5:21PM, CaseyTan wrote:

1. I didn't seem to get that EH was cop, and even to the end, I still had my suspicions. What were some of his posts that telegraphed it? Maybe this is why this game relates to Paranoia?

First, EyeHunter was a new player making a list in post 91.  And while I was doing the same thing, I had the luxury of knowing I was the vig.  And it's not even so much making a list, as the earliness of it.  Stuff that early on day one typically isn't that meaningful; someone making a list at that point has a reason to.
Insinuation of the ability to have outside information #1 on post 138.
"Without too much new info" on post 194.
"I think both UA and Zokorad are Mafia" on post 279.
Votes UA on post 283.
By post 369, he has a complete reversal.
Back to neutral by post 387.
Back to town by post 400, again making other town claims for "I don't want to discuss" reasons.  That's insinuation of the ability to have outside information #2.

It wasn't until the last post, 400, that I picked up on anything; and had to look back through his post history.  Even then, I wasn't sure, it just seemed like he was showing clues.

Also, I left you guys clues of my own role, too, lulz:

Dec 3, 2012 -- 10:36AM, FirstTurnKill wrote:

I really don't know what to make of the extra death, it certainly complicates the game state =/

FFP was a lurker, and though I'm glad he's out since he was mafia, it doesn't leave much to go on.  He never really got to add much to the conversation, though I tried to pressure as much as I could, like the other lurkers.  Points for town, but I don't know if that will really pressure other people into talking so we have things to go on.

The best I have is Zoko's post (from a mafia) calling him out as town.  Anyone else?

Dec 3, 2012 -- 9:54AM, EyeHunter wrote:

Why kill this night, and not the last?

If they have to shoot in the dark, like AA indicated, maybe they were less sure?  We could always put on our tinfoil hats and say they did kill the first night and mafia didn't

I was kind of surprised people didn't realize that I kept bringing this up.  Or they did, but didn't link it to my role.  I was really worried mafia would have realized I was the vig much earlier; but reading through the QT, it took much longer than I thought.  And even then, apparently I looked more like an SK than a vig.  Which...I guess is accurate given that I killed the Doctor, then purposefully targeted UA knowing full well that I was 50/50 about him.

Jan 2, 2013 -- 5:21PM, CaseyTan wrote:

I still don't know how best to defend oneself when you are falsely accused of being a Mafia, and I guess that's real life as well.

You don't have to defend yourself; just keep going about your business.  Calmly apologize for your past behavior if you feel like you need to; apologies carry a lot of weight.  The worst is defending yourself by pointing fingers at others.  That just makes people feel like you're trying to dodge the bullet by putting someone else in your way.  Don't make yourself look like you'll say anything to get out of it.

So any word on when the next game will start 

Jan 2, 2013 -- 9:16PM, CommanderGreven wrote:

So any word on when the next game will start 

Join this group and look for signup threads in the Mafia Games section. http://community.wizards.com/paranoia/go/forum/viewboard

It was linked to earlier in this thread and I was very intrigued after following this game so I signed up. I'm in my second game over there and it is good fun so far!

You can also click the "Groups" button along the bar at the top and search for "paranoia" -- it's the only group that shows up.

Additionally, if you've added yourself to that group, you can click your "Profile" from the bar at the top and you'll see the groups you're in about halfway down on the right.

Haven't read everything, but see the game is over. Mostly left it in tmich's hands as I barely had to time post in the QT much less the Wotc boards.

I do want to remark on the day before the last, when Eyehunter claimed FTK claimed, etc.

But of course, it'll have to be later, and I'll want to actually read the endgame first too.

Good job to all, and hope you come play more at Paranoia Paradise!!