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8 months ago ::
Nov 07, 2012 - 8:37AM
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Is it even fair to say that 15 decks were given 40 cards? Remember, the promo unlocks were PROMOTIONAL. They were never meant to be unlockable through the course of ordinary play, so who's to say that the majority of players even got the codes? As has been pointed out many times, forum-goers are a minority of the player base. From the official base product, each deck only has 30 cards.
I understand the frustration. Who doesn't want an extra 10 cards when we were used to having them already? But to suggest that this is some major failing on the part of Wizards or Stainless, I think, is being unfair
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8 months ago ::
Nov 07, 2012 - 9:49AM
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My issue isn't with the 10 cards being missing. I would love them in the decks, true enough, but my problem is the classic 'wall of silence' marketing strategy being laid out here. A lot of people who have the game don't even know about these forums, and will be expecting promo unlocks. Hate to be one of them and not know exactly what i'm buying. On top of that, Wizards-Sean has been all over these forums in the days leading up to the release of the deck pack. Where is he now we want a simple yes or no answer regarding promo cards? If he has time off, then why aren't we getting an answer from somebody else? Is it really that hard? Hell, I would even accept 'I don't know' as an answer for now, at least it's honest, but instead we get absolutely nothing at all.
I've been informed he likes to be contacted via pm, and sure enough, he said he always answers quickly. I know one person at least has pm'd him, where is he? He says he get's email alerts when pm'd, so ignoring it is my guess. And THAT is my issue.
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8 months ago ::
Nov 07, 2012 - 10:20AM
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I've posted a reply HERE concerning the new DLC and extra card unlocks.
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8 months ago ::
Nov 07, 2012 - 11:24AM
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Is it even fair to say that 15 decks were given 40 cards? Remember, the promo unlocks were PROMOTIONAL. They were never meant to be unlockable through the course of ordinary play, so who's to say that the majority of players even got the codes? As has been pointed out many times, forum-goers are a minority of the player base. From the official base product, each deck only has 30 cards.
I understand the frustration. Who doesn't want an extra 10 cards when we were used to having them already? But to suggest that this is some major failing on the part of Wizards or Stainless, I think, is being unfair
It's perfectly fair. The people that designed the decks had to have playtested them to make them as balanced as they are. And they had to have tested them with the Promo cards. So why stop short?
In the final analysis, after the last decks are released, we will have 15 decks with 40 extra cards to customize with, and 6 decks with 30 unlockables to customize with. They had to have known this going in...
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8 months ago ::
Nov 07, 2012 - 6:13PM
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I've been reading a lot of people saying stuff like "I'm not buying the next dlc until there are promo unlocks." Honestly, this deck pack doesn't look that appealing to me, but I'm still going to buy it. The reason why is that I want to support the franchise. I want Wizards to be able to justify putting more man power, resources, and cash into future installments of the game.
While I totally get your point and, to an extent, even agree with the sentiment, I'm on the flip side of the quote above. Ultimately, we're not supporting a charity or a social movement - we're talking about a product that we pay for. As such, our obligation to back this product is non-existent when we're not happy with what's for sale. Really, I can think of no better way of voicing our disapproval than with our wallets.
If we're striving to show WotC what we actually want from this game, skipping purchase on the deck packs makes sense: the core game gave us tons of content for a (comparatively) fair price. These deck packs are quite a bit more expensive per deck, and with less content. If we take exception, now is the time to say so, and our money is the way to voice it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating a ban on anyone buying the deck pack. But I do think it's fair and legitimate to feel gouged by this latest offering, to such an extent that people decide not to buy it. If that doesn't improve WotC's offering, nothing will.
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8 months ago ::
Nov 07, 2012 - 6:54PM
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This topic should be why you should support the DOTP franchise and never stop complaining.
Not even poking fun, we should continue to support the product as companies will often see bad sales as 'Well that wasnt worth doing, lets not do it again'
But we should also complain, as the community has done since DOTP '09 and each iteration of the game since has made steps towards addressing those complaints.
So yeah, keep buying, but keep complaining too. If you stop complaining, you're telling a business that everything is perfect, and to continue as is.
Which all that said. You can make complaints and not be dicks. You can also still be gratious and appreaciative alongside complaints. Its not an either or extreme.
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8 months ago ::
Nov 07, 2012 - 7:03PM
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Conversely, one could argue that if you keep paying for poorly-supported products, companies will often see that as an excuse to keep releasing poorly-supported products.
Which is why any responsible consumer should not purchase any product that is not up to your personal standards. What, exactly, those standards are is something that only you can decide.
A responsible consumer should also tell the company, in detail, the exact problems with the product that caused you to not purchase it, and tell them that you would only consider purchasing similar products in future if those problems are addressed.
When a company keeps making money, there is no reason for them to change anything. It's only when they start making less money that they start looking for what went wrong and how to fix it.
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8 months ago ::
Nov 07, 2012 - 10:48PM
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I've been reading a lot of people saying stuff like "I'm not buying the next dlc until there are promo unlocks." Honestly, this deck pack doesn't look that appealing to me, but I'm still going to buy it. The reason why is that I want to support the franchise. I want Wizards to be able to justify putting more man power, resources, and cash into future installments of the game.
While I totally get your point and, to an extent, even agree with the sentiment, I'm on the flip side of the quote above. Ultimately, we're not supporting a charity or a social movement - we're talking about a product that we pay for. As such, our obligation to back this product is non-existent when we're not happy with what's for sale. Really, I can think of no better way of voicing our disapproval than with our wallets.
If we're striving to show WotC what we actually want from this game, skipping purchase on the deck packs makes sense: the core game gave us tons of content for a (comparatively) fair price. These deck packs are quite a bit more expensive per deck, and with less content. If we take exception, now is the time to say so, and our money is the way to voice it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating a ban on anyone buying the deck pack. But I do think it's fair and legitimate to feel gouged by this latest offering, to such an extent that people decide not to buy it. If that doesn't improve WotC's offering, nothing will.
Intelligent debate... such a rarity. And I agree 100%.
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8 months ago ::
Nov 07, 2012 - 10:52PM
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Conversely, one could argue that if you keep paying for poorly-supported products, companies will often see that as an excuse to keep releasing poorly-supported products.
Which is why any responsible consumer should not purchase any product that is not up to your personal standards. What, exactly, those standards are is something that only you can decide.
A responsible consumer should also tell the company, in detail, the exact problems with the product that caused you to not purchase it, and tell them that you would only consider purchasing similar products in future if those problems are addressed.
When a company keeps making money, there is no reason for them to change anything. It's only when they start making less money that they start looking for what went wrong and how to fix it.
Companies are full of people. People are lazy. Companies are therefore lazy.
It's human nature...
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8 months ago ::
Nov 07, 2012 - 11:01PM
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I want to know how they could do evreything else as well as they did, but then, not even drop the ball, but shove a railroad spike through the ball and throw the ball into a fire, on something as simple as how many cards to put in the decks.
I take it you suffer from OCD?
Although if you wanna talk about dropping the ball, has the whole singleton thing been brought up? Like yeah, I get that they have a limited number of cards (30 or 40 either way), and they want some variety, but it bugs me that Krenko's deck only gets one copy of Krenko. Not that Goblin Gangland Style needs the help, but it's the principle of the thing (Although I mean, it's not really an issue, just one of those little things). And the fact that I would run 40 Krenkos and 20 mountains if the game allowed it (Even if he is a cheap Marrow-Gnawer  knockoff) :33.
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Your human antics and desire to continue living have moved me. Just kidding. You cannot move me physically or emotionally. Wall humor.
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Funny story:
InQuest Magazine (I think it was InQuest) had an oversized Chaos Orb which I totally rooked someone into allowing into a (non-sanctioned) game.
I had a proxy card that was a Mountain with "Chaos Orb" written on it. When I played it, my opponent cried foul:
Him: "WTF? a Proxy? no-one said anything about Proxies. Do you even own an actual Chaos Orb?"
Me: "Yes, but I thought it would be better to use a Proxy."
Him: "No way. If you're going to put a Chaos Orb in your deck you have to use your actual Chaos Orb."
Me: "*Sigh*. Okay."
I pulled out this huge Chaos Orb and placed it on the table. He tried to cry foul again but everyone else said he insisted I use my actual Chaos Orb and that was my actual Chaos Orb. I used it, flipped it and wiped most of his board.
Unsurprisingly, that only worked once and only because everyone present thought it was hilarious. 
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Hi guys! So, I'm a sort of returning player to Magic. I say sort of because as a child I had two main TCG's I liked. Yu-Gi-Oh, and Pokemon. Some of my friends branched off in to Magic, and I bought two pre-made decks just to kind of fit in. Like I said, Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon were what I really knew how to play. I have a extensive knowledge of deck building in those two TCG's. However, as far as Magic is concerned, I only ever used those two pre made decks. I know how the game is played, and I know general things, but now I want to get in the game for real. I want to begin playing it as a regular. My question is, are all cards ever released from the time of the inception of this game until present day fair game in a deck? Or are there special rules? Are some cards forbidden or restricted? Thanks guys, and I will gladly accept ANY help lol. 
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See, this is why RPJesus should be in charge of the storyline. The novel line would never have been cancelled if he had been running the show. Specifically the Slobad and Geth's Head talkshow he just described.
Not only was that an obligatory joke, it was an on-topic post that still managed to be off-topic due to thread derailment. RP Jesus does it again folks.
I think I'm gonna' start praying to Jesus... That's right, RPJesus, I'm gonna' be praying to you, right now.
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you loads