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7 months ago  ::  Oct 31, 2012 - 8:22PM #1
Flyheight
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So I have 2 Palisade Giant s on my side of the board.  My opponent attacks with a Chancellor of the Dross a Rakish Heir and a Falkenrath Noble .

I know I can't split the damage from a single source, but can I have the damage from the chancellor go to one Palisade giant and the damage from the Rakish Heir and the Falkenrath Noble go to the other Palisade Giant (assuming I don't block)?
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7 months ago  ::  Oct 31, 2012 - 8:26PM #2
Enigma256
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each attacking creature is its own source
you can split them between your giants

(do note that in theory if you decide to redirect to one giant the other giant will redirect that damage to himself)
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7 months ago  ::  Oct 31, 2012 - 8:58PM #3
Chaikov
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Oct 31, 2012 -- 8:26PM, Enigma256 wrote:

you can split them between your giants


Errr.... sure about that?

«Dystocracy : A system of government in which corrupt leadership colludes with dishonest bankers and greedy elites in order to ensure that productive members of society –people who actually do useful work- bear the greatest share of taxes while gaining the least benefit possible.»

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7 months ago  ::  Oct 31, 2012 - 8:58PM #4
Enigma256
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sure
while the damage is the same event, each creature is a different source
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7 months ago  ::  Oct 31, 2012 - 9:00PM #5
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Pariah 's ruling would seem to disagree.
«Dystocracy : A system of government in which corrupt leadership colludes with dishonest bankers and greedy elites in order to ensure that productive members of society –people who actually do useful work- bear the greatest share of taxes while gaining the least benefit possible.»

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7 months ago  ::  Oct 31, 2012 - 9:02PM #6
Enigma256
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hmm, you might be right

I'll check back when I'm sober
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7 months ago  ::  Oct 31, 2012 - 10:16PM #7
Strago_Magus
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If you control more than one Palisade Giant, you choose which redirection effect to apply. You can’t divide damage dealt by one source. For example, if an attacking creature would deal 8 damage to you and you control two Palisade Giants, you may have that damage dealt to either of the Palisade Giants. You can’t have 4 damage dealt to each Giant or choose to have the 8 damage dealt to you.




Ala Gatherer.

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7 months ago  ::  Oct 31, 2012 - 10:42PM #8
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Oct 31, 2012 -- 9:02PM, Enigma256 wrote:

hmm, you might be right


Compare "All damage a source would deal" and "All damage that would be dealt".

You can split damage by source for the former wording, but not for the latter wording. The Palisade Giant and Pariah uses the latter.

I can't find an example of the former wording used by replacement effects, but both wordings are used for triggered abilities: Dromad Purebred and Michiko Konda, Truth Seeker ,


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7 months ago  ::  Nov 01, 2012 - 4:14AM #9
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Palisade Giant cares about recipients of damage, not about sources of damage. So if two sources are trying to deal damage to you at the same time, all the damage will be redirected to a single giant at the same time. But if a single source tries to do damage to two different objects or players at the same time, the giants treat each chunk of damage independently.
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 01, 2012 - 5:45AM #10
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Nov 1, 2012 -- 4:14AM, Nylon wrote:

But if a single source tries to do damage to two different objects or players at the same time, the giants treat each chunk of damage independently.


Even that I find extremely doubtful. I don't believe one can split Tremor 's damage between Giants. See Glarecaster .

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