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7 months ago ::
Oct 31, 2012 - 10:57AM
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T2 Pack Rat is the dumbest thing you can do with it.
He was on the play against a Golgari/Selesnya build in which he hadn't seen any removal past turn four. Why is that dumb? The only card in that build that can halt it on turn two is rare.
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7 months ago ::
Oct 31, 2012 - 11:19AM
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T2 Pack Rat is the dumbest thing you can do with it.
He was on the play against a Golgari/Selesnya build in which he hadn't seen any removal past turn four. Why is that dumb? The only card in that build that can halt it on turn two is rare.
This is exactly why. He lost game 1 (inferring from "on the play") against a golgari deck with removal able to be cast before turn 4. He could've stalled into a T5 rat, not particularly bad in this format since he was on the play, and activated it the turn it came out in response to your removal. I'm not going to play rat against a deck that could abrupt decay it unless i can activate it. Especially since Golgari decks are among the slower decks in RtR.
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7 months ago ::
Oct 31, 2012 - 11:25AM
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Turn 2 rat vs turn 5 rat is a choice that depends on the situation. Turn 5 rat means that you let yourself get beaten down for a while, and it could leave you at low enough life that you'll have to chump. Turn 2 rat becomes worse if you see 2 cmc removal or 3 cmc removal on the draw, and also becomes worse on the draw because the number of possible removal options increases.
Knowing that it is a "golgari-selesnya build" doesn't tell you enough. It could be a deck that beats down with brushstriders and dead revelers with common bond backup, or it could be running triple trestle troll and stalling into desecration demon.
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7 months ago ::
Oct 31, 2012 - 11:39AM
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T2 Pack Rat is the dumbest thing you can do with it.
He was on the play against a Golgari/Selesnya build in which he hadn't seen any removal past turn four. Why is that dumb? The only card in that build that can halt it on turn two is rare.
This is exactly why. He lost game 1 (inferring from "on the play") against a golgari deck with removal able to be cast before turn 4. He could've stalled into a T5 rat, not particularly bad in this format since he was on the play, and activated it the turn it came out in response to your removal. I'm not going to play rat against a deck that could abrupt decay it unless i can activate it. Especially since Golgari decks are among the slower decks in RtR.
I think I misspoke or how I wrote was confusing. I meant he hadn't seen removal that could be cast before turn four (Launch Party) and this was game three, not game two. Abrupt Decay is Rare, so it's unlikely to assume I do have it, and I fail to see why playing it turn two and activating it turn three is worse than waiting til turn 5.
As for catowner's comment, the deck was midrangy I suppose but nothing really exciting other than Corpsejack Menace, though I did not have enough scavangers to truly make use of it. I was really relying on my evasion creatures to finish a game. (which is probably why I went 2-2)
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7 months ago ::
Oct 31, 2012 - 2:21PM
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T2 Pack Rat is the dumbest thing you can do with it.
Way off. The list of non-rare answers to T2 Pack Rat is very short. On the draw it's a little more risky, but still, upside is generally going to be worth it.
In my example, had I won G2 with the all-Swamp/Rat deck, I would have likely sided back into a "normal" deck for G3, because I'm a little more nervous about the T2 play in that scenario.
As others have mentioned, waiting until Turn 5 to cast a spell is a nice way to be dead.
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7 months ago ::
Oct 31, 2012 - 2:54PM
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T2 Pack Rat is the dumbest thing you can do with it.
Way off. The list of non-rare answers to T2 Pack Rat is very short. On the draw it's a little more risky, but still, upside is generally going to be worth it.
Off the top of my head, assuming your opp is on the draw, I can think of Electrickery, Izzet Charm, Golgari Charm and Ultimate Price. (As well as a temporary answer in Dramatic Rescue). If I'm on the draw, I may think of playing something else as the list gets wider for non-rare answers (Stab Wound, Arrest, Augur Spree, etc.).
Those who fear the darkness have never seen what the light can do.
I've seen angels fall from blinding heights.
But you yourself are nothing so divine.
Just next in line.
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7 months ago ::
Oct 31, 2012 - 2:57PM
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T2 Pack Rat is the dumbest thing you can do with it.
Way off. The list of non-rare answers to T2 Pack Rat is very short. On the draw it's a little more risky, but still, upside is generally going to be worth it.
In my example, had I won G2 with the all-Swamp/Rat deck, I would have likely sided back into a "normal" deck for G3, because I'm a little more nervous about the T2 play in that scenario.
As others have mentioned, waiting until Turn 5 to cast a spell is a nice way to be dead.
This is not a conversation. RSTNME meanst "best" by "dumbest" and you interpreted as "stupidest". You are in agreement. Turn two Pack Rat is good.
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7 months ago ::
Oct 31, 2012 - 3:59PM
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People keep saying T2 Pack Rat, and I keep thinking Type II pack rat.
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7 months ago ::
Oct 31, 2012 - 4:46PM
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T2 Pack Rat is the dumbest thing you can do with it.
Way off. The list of non-rare answers to T2 Pack Rat is very short. On the draw it's a little more risky, but still, upside is generally going to be worth it.
In my example, had I won G2 with the all-Swamp/Rat deck, I would have likely sided back into a "normal" deck for G3, because I'm a little more nervous about the T2 play in that scenario.
As others have mentioned, waiting until Turn 5 to cast a spell is a nice way to be dead.
This is not a conversation. RSTNME meanst "best" by "dumbest" and you interpreted as "stupidest". You are in agreement. Turn two Pack Rat is good.
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7 months ago ::
Oct 31, 2012 - 7:01PM
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People keep saying T2 Pack Rat, and I keep thinking Type II pack rat.
You too?
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