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Oct 30, 2012 -- 7:10AM, Burning_Forest wrote:

Oct 30, 2012 -- 6:59AM, Dilleux_Lepaire wrote:

Oct 30, 2012 -- 6:44AM, Burning_Forest wrote:

control decks really don't have any good finishers

How about Entreat, Bolas, Army of the Damned, Drogskol, Angel of Serenity?

all too fragile

Griselbrand? Might be a little hard on the mana being an 8 drop and all, but with the current state of the meta (Thragtusk/Centaur Healer/Sphinx's Revelation) it doesnt seem like it would be impossible to hard cast, especially since Farseek is also so common. Angel of Serenity gets hard cast pretty often as it is, and Griselbrand is only 1 mana more.

The amount of life gain in the format should make the 7 life relatively easy enough to come by without killing yourself as well, and should he get removed, 7 cards is pretty nice compensation, especially for a control deck.

I just got back from a short hiatus (since shortly after M13 was released) so I am not 100% up to snuff on the meta, but I plan on trying to screw around with a Junk Control build (which is odd for me as I usually hate that color combination). It may not be as consistent as Bant is (losing out on Jace and the counter suite), but I could see some places where going instead of as your 3rd color could be useful.

As for the discussion on mill. It has been a solid backup plan in the control mirror for a very long time. Currently both Drownyard and Jace 3 have seen relatively consistent, effective use as a SB plan in the control mirror.

Oct 31, 2012 -- 1:16PM, C-Lion wrote:

While mill doesn't do anything to board state, it's important to acknowledge that many of these stalemates are not a result of things that are actually on the board. When playing control against one of the flavors of Thragtusk.dec, it is very possible to grind your way through all of the value creatures. However, once you get there, you find yourself up against a life total that has been greatly increased by multiple 5 point bursts. The combination of these high life totals and the sub-par finishers available for today's control decks means that decks like Jund have more time to recover after the control deck finally stabilizes.

Drownyard allows the control player to finish the job while ignoring the life total of the opponent, while continuing to have resources available to keep the board under control. A dedicated mill deck is certainly still garbage, but using mill as a fallback option is perfectly acceptable (especially when it doesn't waste any deck space).

Well, I guess there is no such thing as having too many options...