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8 months ago ::
Nov 02, 2012 - 4:53PM
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On occasion, I do Slaughter games Darksteel forge or bribery, simply cause it is a card I never want to hit the table. There are plenty of other targets I can choose with that.
Having a Zedru give Celestial Dawn to a non white deck is just being a jerk, putting it mildly.
Granted, my deck does run Contamination. But that is a card with the possibility of hosing every deck on the field, including your own unless your mono black.
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8 months ago ::
Nov 02, 2012 - 8:17PM
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Most folks playing Zedruu, as it's clearly a "hug-ish" deck, are playing Celestial Dawn and donating it to the player who made the jerkiest move. I'd say about 90% of the Zedruu I see is tit for tat. You play contamination...now you got plains. You're playing a combo that's going off in 2 turns...now you got Pyromancer's Swath  . You paid 20 life to Hatred  your Wydwen, the Biting Gale  against an opponent...now you got Illusions of Grandeur  . Tuff Nuggets!?!
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8 months ago ::
Nov 03, 2012 - 8:17AM
#43
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Jun 29, 2011
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8 months ago ::
Nov 03, 2012 - 9:25AM
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As far as what not to play in EDH, two-card infinite/game-winning combos are frowned upon in my meta. The two biggest offenders I've seen are Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind  + Curiosity  and Mikaeus, the Unhallowed  + Triskelion  . People shouldn't feel good about themselves when they win this way. It only exposes their weaknesses in deckbuilding.
I don't think having an instant-win combo is so bad, but building your deck towards only getting off that combo is kind of boring. I actually have the Mikaeus-Triskelion combo in a deck of mine, but that's only because it's such a grindy board control deck that I needed a way to end games that have gone on forever. Mikaeus isn't the commander, and I don't search them out until I'm getting tired of playing that game.
On the other hand, I did have the Niv-Mizzet deck for a while and took it apart because I was only playing to go infinite every time. It didn't do anything else besides draw cards to find a combo piece, then win out of nowhere. The problem (for me) wasn't that it was an infinite combo, but that the deck did nothing else. If I wasn't going off, I was just buying time until that happened.
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8 months ago ::
Nov 03, 2012 - 10:39AM
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Jun 26, 2010
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JBTM, I am the same situation. Mikaeus and Triskelion are also both IN my deck, but I rarely go for them, because I'm focused on other combos(like the one time I used Unholy Grotto  and Desolate Lighthouse  with a few zombie cards in my hand to draw pretty quickly). You wanna stop the Mik-skelion combo? Krosan Grip  . On the other aspect(hated card), I always hate Insurrection  . I know I could easily stop it if I had the right deck, but I never am able to build a 'good' blue deck. *shrug* Doesn't change the fact that when I see it, I have a great deal of hate for the person who played it, lol.
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8 months ago ::
Nov 03, 2012 - 11:03AM
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Jun 29, 2011
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You wanna stop the Mik-skelion combo? Krosan Grip .
Oh gee, thanks for that. Good god I hate it when players insist on speaking in these ridiculous hypotheticals. Players talk as if they'll always have the right card in the right situation. You know that playing Krosan Grip doesn't ensure that it's in my hand at all times, right? Also, there are decks that are (shocker) not green. Regardless, I still maintain that two-card combos are beyond lame, whether you tutor it up or not.
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8 months ago ::
Nov 03, 2012 - 11:09AM
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Meh, two card wins are a bit silly when they are only good together. Kiki jiki is a great card on its own. Zealous conscripts too. So I would mind much for them to be in a deck. Kiki + pestermite? Not so much. the pestermite (and deceiver exarch) aren't playable, so why put them in a deck?
That's pretty much my philosophy in general. If the card only combos with the one other card in the deck, its a lame thing to include.
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8 months ago ::
Nov 03, 2012 - 8:26PM
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Jun 26, 2010
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Isn't that the same thing you're speaking in, Rx(hypotheticals)? And yes, it's less than a surprise to me that some EDH decks are not green. Besides, it just occurred to me...doesn't the Mik-skelion combo require one more piece...like a sac outlet  ? Making it a three piece combo, which is even worse to implement. *shrug* Just saying.
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8 months ago ::
Nov 03, 2012 - 8:34PM
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Jun 29, 2011
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Isn't that the same thing you're speaking in, Rx(hypotheticals)? And yes, it's less than a surprise to me that some EDH decks are not green. Besides, it just occurred to me...doesn't the Mik-skelion combo require one more piece...like a sac outlet ? Making it a three piece combo, which is even worse to implement.
*shrug* Just saying.
No, it doesn't require a sac outlet. Just saying.
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8 months ago ::
Nov 03, 2012 - 11:17PM
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Jul 27, 2011
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Isn't that the same thing you're speaking in, Rx(hypotheticals)? And yes, it's less than a surprise to me that some EDH decks are not green. Besides, it just occurred to me...doesn't the Mik-skelion combo require one more piece...like a sac outlet ? Making it a three piece combo, which is even worse to implement.
*shrug* Just saying.
The combo took me some time to figure out as well.
What ends up happening, is that Triskelion deals 2 damage, then 1 to himself, he has no more counters and is a 1l1 with 1 damage marked on himself and thus dies. Mikaeus sees a creature dying with no +1l+1 counters and brings him back. At that point, well from the start really, it's infinite damage.
Don't play Collective Voyage  against a Rikku deck. That's my input here XD
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I currently run a deck for Standard, Modern, Commander and Legacy.
For standard, I have a typical, horribly budget Rakdos Deck Wins.
For Modern, I have a B/G/U/W Draw-go Reanimator featuring my favorite creature, Wurmcoil Engine  .
For Legacy, I'm trying too hard to break Pyromancer Ascension  . I also run a Naya Zoo with  all the  oldies  .
For Commander/EDH, I'm running The Mimeoplasm  .
A little morals thing about me, I like winning through combos, but not infinitely.
However quiet, I am a Christian, so feel free to tell me you are too, it's always a relief.Cheers!
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