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8 months ago  ::  Oct 23, 2012 - 10:14AM #11
mtgraptor
Date Joined: Aug 19, 2007
Posts: 440
how is Pacifism good answer for Thragtusk when it is usually acompanied with blink effects?
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 23, 2012 - 11:53AM #12
Spuuky
Date Joined: Apr 20, 2005
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Oct 23, 2012 -- 10:14AM, mtgraptor wrote:

how is Pacifism good answer for Thragtusk when it is usually acompanied with blink effects?



Yeah, I don't think Pacifism is any good in a format with Restoration Angel, I agree with you.

I do think that Martial Law is a pretty reasonable Thragtusk answer in concert with other things... Blinking gets them "out" of it still, but only for one turn instead of permanently. Still need other cards to assist, though. 

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 23, 2012 - 1:57PM #13
xger
Date Joined: Mar 5, 2004
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The part I found most interesting was 24 lands. When the deck curve stops at 3, and only 7 cards (11.6% of the deck) 24 lands just seems redundant. In a deck going for the speed game, drawing land 3 (when you don't have or want to play one of the 3 drops) or 4 is just one less spell to close the deal with. Couple that with the abundant growths, I don't think the deck should be running more than 22 lands, possibly as low as 20.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 23, 2012 - 6:42PM #14
gruulsmash
Date Joined: Apr 14, 2012
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i wish i was going to redo my own deck (usa control),but im totally going for the deadeye deck. awesome will ensue!
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 24, 2012 - 2:01AM #15
Lachlann67
Date Joined: Feb 17, 2012
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Oct 23, 2012 -- 9:05AM, JollyJoker wrote:

"Todd's RUG Land Destruction" made me think about a combo I used in M13 sealed, where I recurred Acidic Slime using Roaring Primadox . I don't think a dedicated LD deck has any chance of working with the current card pool, but flooding the opponent with comes into play effects may be doable with Roaring Primadox and Infinite Reflection , possibly Deadeye Navigator . Mana elves including Elvish Archdruid and Elvish Visionary , Acidic Slime and Thragtusk for copying or recurring. Elvish Visionary is fine with Roaring Primadox and Deadeye Navigator , Elvish Archdruid is good with Infinite Reflection , Acidic Slime and Thragtusk are ok with Roaring Primadox and absolutely nuts with Infinite Reflection and Deadeye Navigator .

Has anybody tried somehing like this?




I have a Roaring Primadox deck that uses Stonehorn Dignitary and other neat ETB effect cards like Pelakka Wurm Stingerfling Spider Acidic Slime , Mwonvuli Beast Tracker , Borderland Ranger and Elvish Visionary .

Take a while to get rolling, but when it does....... I have decked myself with this one.



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8 months ago  ::  Oct 24, 2012 - 5:39AM #16
JollyJoker
Date Joined: Sep 30, 2012
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The Dignitary seems like a potential "I win" card. I'm unsure about the Beast Tracker usefulness unless one could build a "toolbox" with silver bullets for different decks. Mainly that it's a bit slow and can't fetch Primadox, Deadeye Navigator, Thragtusk or Restoration Angel.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 24, 2012 - 9:46AM #17
Senyuno
Date Joined: Jun 21, 2010
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Oct 22, 2012 -- 11:46PM, Z3RO wrote:

The changes although good defeat the purpose of this deck. it was a cheap deck that probably costed less than $60 and ended games extremely fast.



When building, Gavin takes the deck, tries to identify what its concept should be (thus making it his own), and builds it without constraints. When it comes to price, he won't build a deck that is a budget knockoff of another deck. Having a deck strictly worse than another is no method for success.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 24, 2012 - 12:20PM #18
Lachlann67
Date Joined: Feb 17, 2012
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Oct 24, 2012 -- 5:39AM, JollyJoker wrote:

The Dignitary seems like a potential "I win" card. I'm unsure about the Beast Tracker usefulness unless one could build a "toolbox" with silver bullets for different decks. Mainly that it's a bit slow and can't fetch Primadox, Deadeye Navigator, Thragtusk or Restoration Angel.




Beast Tracker allows you to search for deathtouch, hexproof, reach, or trample. Even if it can't search out a primadox, it's still an awesome card for going and getting the creature you need for that point in time. As far as getting a Primadox, I put in deck distillation in the form of farseek and Ranger's Path and cross fingers.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 24, 2012 - 2:56PM #19
mmdre
Date Joined: Sep 28, 2012
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I am actually surprised that anyone complains about what Gavin does.  He builds good decks.  Its a fact.  Maybe you could spend less of your time trying to complain and instead become a better Magic player.  How does that sound?
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 25, 2012 - 2:20AM #20
mr.physics
Date Joined: Jan 9, 2012
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I likewise support the making of good, off the wall decks. I enjoy good budget decks as well, but appreciate the existence of a column that tries to make interesting and good decks without budget constraints. In terms of the the challenge...

I chose to tune the Bant Seance list.
 
4 x armada wurm
4 x avacyn's pilgrim
4 x thragtusk
2 x borderland ranger
2 x trostani, selesnya's voice
1 x vitu-ghazi guildmage
1 x mirror-mad phantasm
1 x laboratory maniac
4 x seance
1 x growing ranks
4 x farseek
4 x mulch
4 x tracker's instinct
7 x forest
4 x temple garden
4 x sunpetal grove
4 x hinterland harbor
2 x hallowed fountain
1 x island
1 x plains
1 x grove of the guardian
sideboard:
2 x centaur healer
3 x clone
4 x restoration angel
2 x ray of revelation
2 x oblivion ring
2 x selesnya charm
 


This deck has massive lifegain to help vs aggro. Against decks that lack instant speed removal, the lab maniac kill can provide inevitability (copy mirror-mad to mill yourself, seance maniac in upkeep). You can even side into a bant goodstuff deck to dodge graveyard hate, and have access to powerful cards like clone to stop legends and help deal with angel of serenity (along with charm, which also deals with gisela, thragtusk, and trigger happy olivia).

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