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8 months ago ::
Oct 19, 2012 - 6:07PM
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Just thought I wanted some of your guy's opinion, it seems to me too good to be true , temporal mastery  comes to mind, considering under any normal circumstances players draw 1 card per turn, so long it's not in your opening hand, extra turn for 2 mana and 1 mana terminus  board wipe are insane. how does one stop something like this, counter spell? Not everyone play blue, or have the correct counter, if its one of those "counter unless player pays x mana" that wouldn't work either due to the low cost of miracles, it seems like its all carrot and no stick
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8 months ago ::
Oct 19, 2012 - 6:14PM
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Miracle is balanced. Sometimes, you will get a spell for cheaper (namely, when topdecked). However, if it is in your hand or if you don't draw it as your first card for the turn, it is actually overcosted. Compare the cmc of Temporal Mastery  to that of Time Warp 
As long as it's random, I really can't see where's the problem. Anyway, there's already a few standard ways for doing this. We listed them in this thread. If someone does the bogey-bogey, eats the cards, waits until they come out, look out the approximate order, place replacements in the same order, calls the president to ask him to give him a string of numbers, puts the card in the given order, then pick the cards in the order given by taking the date of birth of his opponent, reversed, and taking only every other number, then a judge can clearly declare that he's random enough.
The beauty of sarcasm is that when the person using it is totally incorrect, you can just remove the sarcasm and end up with a post that is actually correct.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 19, 2012 - 6:21PM
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Miracle is balanced. Sometimes, you will get a spell for cheaper (namely, when topdecked). However, if it is in your hand or if you don't draw it as your first card for the turn, it is actually overcosted.
Compare the cmc of Temporal Mastery to that of Time Warp
thats just the thing, if it was in your opening hand, you might not keep it, so the default cast cost is almost always it's miracle cost. I can accept them if say, miracle halves the cast cost, but as it stands 1 or 2 mana spell that changes the entire dynamic of a game is just too much IMO
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8 months ago ::
Oct 19, 2012 - 6:38PM
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Temporal Mastery isnt even that good, the formats with the tools to use it right have better options. Terminus  on the other hand is very powerful in the right deck. I wouldnt say they are broken in contructed. In limited they were definitely unbalanced. One of several reasons Avacyn was a horrible draft/sealed format.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 19, 2012 - 6:39PM
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Just having to do mulligans more often is a drawback in itself. Even if you don't keep it in your opening hand, you may draw it in the first turn (no mana to cast it). If you draw it the second turn, it may be no better than a blue Explore  . The same for Terminus. Bord wipes are not something you just want to cast at any random turn's start. At least with Hallowed Burial  you have some control of when to play it, instead of re When the miracle comes at the right moment, it's awesome and game changing. If you draw it at a bad time, it's just as much of a overcosted dead card as is starting the game with it.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 19, 2012 - 6:42PM
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When the miracle comes at the right moment, it's awesome and game changing. If you draw it at a bad time, it's just as much of a overcosted dead card as is starting the game with it.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 19, 2012 - 7:32PM
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Most miracles aren't  broken , but a few  are  .
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8 months ago ::
Oct 19, 2012 - 7:38PM
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Miracle cards and Brainstorm  seem like really good friends. Or Sylvan Library  / Mirri's Guile  .
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8 months ago ::
Oct 19, 2012 - 8:26PM
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Strong =/= Broken
If miracles were unbalanced you wouldn't be able to play without them and stay competitive.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 19, 2012 - 8:47PM
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Miracle cards and Brainstorm seem like really good friends.
Inorite? So glad that terrible card finally found a use.
Also, while I think miracles are fine, I do think "balancing" "Amazing at the right time" with "mediocre to terrible otherwise" is kind of undesirable from a design standpoint  .
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InQuest Magazine (I think it was InQuest) had an oversized Chaos Orb which I totally rooked someone into allowing into a (non-sanctioned) game.
I had a proxy card that was a Mountain with "Chaos Orb" written on it. When I played it, my opponent cried foul:
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Me: "Yes, but I thought it would be better to use a Proxy."
Him: "No way. If you're going to put a Chaos Orb in your deck you have to use your actual Chaos Orb."
Me: "*Sigh*. Okay."
I pulled out this huge Chaos Orb and placed it on the table. He tried to cry foul again but everyone else said he insisted I use my actual Chaos Orb and that was my actual Chaos Orb. I used it, flipped it and wiped most of his board.
Unsurprisingly, that only worked once and only because everyone present thought it was hilarious. 
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