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8 months ago  ::  Oct 19, 2012 - 2:14AM #1
furtharkwarrior
Date Joined: Oct 19, 2012
Posts: 17
This is a deck that i want to run in Standard. Any pointers would be gratefully appreciated.
Creatures
15
4 Mayor of Avabrook
4 Wolfir Avenger
3 Trostani, Selesnya's Voice  
2 Arbor Elf
2 Avacyn Pilgrim

Spells 11
4 Druid's Deliverance
4 Rootborn Defenses
3 Collective Blessing

Enchantments 10

4 Soul tithe
3 Curse of Exhaustion
3 Oblivion Ring

Lands 24
4 Sunpetal Grove
3 Gavony Township
9 forest
8 plains

Side Board 15
4 Pithing Needle
4 Rest in Peace
4 Nevermore
3 Sundering Growth

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 19, 2012 - 4:01AM #2
Symar
Date Joined: Jun 14, 2007
Posts: 808
This isn't werewolves. This is a deck with populate but only one unreliable token maker. This is a deck with a lord with very few creatures said lord even lords over.

You can run G/W humans and use Mayor as a human lord (and if he ever flips, yay tokens). Drop all the populate. Moonmist is the fog for werewolves. Safe Passage for a non-tribal onesided fog. You don't need either if you get a Collective Blessing out.
I'd drop Trostani, drop the elves, drop the wolfir, drop the curses, and look for some cheap humans and make a human aggro deck
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 19, 2012 - 11:34AM #3
furtharkwarrior
Date Joined: Oct 19, 2012
Posts: 17

Oct 19, 2012 -- 4:01AM, Symar wrote:

This isn't werewolves. This is a deck with populate but only one unreliable token maker. This is a deck with a lord with very few creatures said lord even lords over.

You can run G/W humans and use Mayor as a human lord (and if he ever flips, yay tokens). Drop all the populate. Moonmist is the fog for werewolves. Safe Passage for a non-tribal onesided fog. You don't need either if you get a Collective Blessing out.
I'd drop Trostani, drop the elves, drop the wolfir, drop the curses, and look for some cheap humans and make a human aggro deck


While I appreciate you taking the time to critisize my deck. I'm afraid that you missed the point. I don't want to be like all those other zombies out there who don't have an original deck idea in their head and only create and play what everyone else is using to win. The reason the deck is called Werewolves Selesnya Style is because I am using a werewolf lord to increase my selesnyan army. The combo between Trostani and Mayor I believe to be really fun and effective. I guess that I should have clarified all of this first. I am a true Johnny= I like to win but only on my own terms. I don't consider looking for a deck online, purchasing that deck, sleeving that deck, and then winning with that deck to be competative at all. You're not competing at that point; you're just the automated card dealer at that point(Yukk). If I win or loose it is because my thoughts and actions lead me to that destination.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 19, 2012 - 12:05PM #4
Asy1umRat
Date Joined: Nov 17, 2011
Posts: 143

Oct 19, 2012 -- 11:34AM, furtharkwarrior wrote:

 While I appreciate you taking the time to critisize my deck. I'm afraid that you missed the point. I don't want to be like all those other zombies out there who don't have an original deck idea in their head and only create and play what everyone else is using to win. The reason the deck is called Werewolves Selesnya Style is because I am using a werewolf lord to increase my selesnyan army. The combo between Trostani and Mayor I believe to be really fun and effective. I guess that I should have clarified all of this first. I am a true Johnny= I like to win but only on my own terms. I don't consider looking for a deck online, purchasing that deck, sleeving that deck, and then winning with that deck to be competative at all. You're not competing at that point; you're just the automated card dealer at that point(Yukk). If I win or loose it is because my thoughts and actions lead me to that destination.




I don't think you understand what asking for pointers means.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 19, 2012 - 1:21PM #5
furtharkwarrior
Date Joined: Oct 19, 2012
Posts: 17

Oct 19, 2012 -- 12:05PM, Asy1umRat wrote:

Oct 19, 2012 -- 11:34AM, furtharkwarrior wrote:

 While I appreciate you taking the time to critisize my deck. I'm afraid that you missed the point. I don't want to be like all those other zombies out there who don't have an original deck idea in their head and only create and play what everyone else is using to win. The reason the deck is called Werewolves Selesnya Style is because I am using a werewolf lord to increase my selesnyan army. The combo between Trostani and Mayor I believe to be really fun and effective. I guess that I should have clarified all of this first. I am a true Johnny= I like to win but only on my own terms. I don't consider looking for a deck online, purchasing that deck, sleeving that deck, and then winning with that deck to be competative at all. You're not competing at that point; you're just the automated card dealer at that point(Yukk). If I win or loose it is because my thoughts and actions lead me to that destination.




I don't think you understand what asking for pointers means.


I understand just fine. I want to know what people think of the compossed deck list, if there are any cards that I may have missed, wether or not the deck seems competative. Pointers aren't "Hey your whole idea sucks you should run generic option A or generic option B.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 19, 2012 - 1:30PM #6
Asy1umRat
Date Joined: Nov 17, 2011
Posts: 143
Well actually they kind of are. You're deck list isn't as efficient as the more main stream options, so you're going to get assessments based on the  proven successful methods. In all honest, populate isn't helping your deck when you have 1 token producer that only activates based on the opponent's actions. The reason Selencya's populate works is the number of token producers usually invested in the deck. The reason werewolves works is the raw beatdown force behind the (better) options. Your creature base is weak, your support options are limited and the general theme is disconnected. Its not that you shouldn't think outside the box, its that what you have here doesn't even function. You don't have a combo or theme to work around, so I'm not sure why you would get upset when someone tells you the better options. Selecya wants tokens, Wolves want actual creatures. You're playing with two conflicting strategies and expecting them to consitantly work. I'm all for original ideas, but at least be open to criticisms and alternatives when asking for help.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 19, 2012 - 1:34PM #7
Symar
Date Joined: Jun 14, 2007
Posts: 808
Then no, I don't think your deck is competitive at all. Not enough threats, not enough tokens to even bother running populate, Curse of Exhaustion does little at best, and you definitely can't try to turbofog your way through things.

Do you want to populate tokens using the Mayor as one of many token sources or do you want W/G aggro using Mayor as a lord?
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 19, 2012 - 1:49PM #8
furtharkwarrior
Date Joined: Oct 19, 2012
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I feel as though I am getting off to a bad start with the community, and certain members in particular. I wasn't saying that I have a problem with players that run whatever is winning. I am just saying that I don't play that way; I don't find that sporting; to me it would be like every team in the NFL running the exact same plays. With this deck I want to keep a Selesnya theme( hence the populate), the Selesnya colors only. I have a deck list that is W/R/G that I see now is more deserving of the title of this thread. I want to win don't get me wrong. I just don't want to do it with someone else's mind child. I played through that in Mirrodin. It got really boring really fast. I really love the werewolf theme (I am really into werewolves.)Smile
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 19, 2012 - 2:06PM #9
Aaroc
Date Joined: Sep 20, 2012
Posts: 50
It's an interesting idea, I just don't see it working reliably at all. You have a grand total of one possible method of putting your intial tokens on the field to be populated and everything else is based upon populating those unreliable tokens.

There's a green enchantment that makes your werewolves unable to transform back into humans, but I can't think of wht it is at the moment. That might help you out, but even then it seems less reliable than you would probably like. 
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 19, 2012 - 2:13PM #10
furtharkwarrior
Date Joined: Oct 19, 2012
Posts: 17

Oct 19, 2012 -- 1:34PM, Symar wrote:

Then no, I don't think your deck is competitive at all. Not enough threats, not enough tokens to even bother running populate, Curse of Exhaustion does little at best, and you definitely can't try to turbofog your way through things.

Do you want to populate tokens using the Mayor as one of many token sources or do you want W/G aggro using Mayor as a lord?


Thank you this is exactly what I was looking for. Now, as to your question. I don't really care about the lord ability; to me it is more of a minor bonus. As for the token gen. I got the impression that RTR was more focused on less creatures for bigger creatures. and while 2/2's aren't as beefy as3/3's I fealt having the mayor based token was more reliable given the current meta game.

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