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9 months ago ::
Oct 16, 2012 - 2:27PM
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Date Joined:
Jun 21, 2011
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I'm an older player looking to return back to Standard and my question is with Burn and Goblins taking a hit with this last rotation, can mono-red still make a mark in Standard? And by what turn is most games won by these days?
Thanks,
=)
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9 months ago ::
Oct 16, 2012 - 5:52PM
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Date Joined:
Jun 27, 2012
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MonoRed Goblins with Krenko lost pretty much everything with the rotation Goblin Wardriver  and Goblin Chieftain  . The poor support for Vexing Devil  indicates how bad Burn is. There just isn't enough efficient, versatile burn to justify going monored, even if you merge in the goblins.
Standard Pauper!
(play it on MTGO)
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9 months ago ::
Oct 16, 2012 - 6:10PM
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Date Joined:
Jun 21, 2011
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What about combining burn with goblins and mix of counters/control?
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9 months ago ::
Oct 16, 2012 - 7:56PM
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Date Joined:
Nov 25, 2007
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I've read an article recently that made a mono red deck called "cheap dirty red." It was by Travis Woo, on channelfireball. Basically you try and do as much damage as you can the first four turns or so, using cards like stromkirk noble  , rakdos cackler  , ash zealot  , even mogg flunkies  , burning any early blockers out of the way and finishing off with a hellrider  for the final points of damage. I'm not sure how well it plays but it's a good start. It costs about fifty dollars max to make too, so there's that.
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9 months ago ::
Oct 16, 2012 - 8:16PM
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Date Joined:
Dec 10, 2011
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Take a peek at the Islands Red and Rakdos Aggro threads in Standard Deck Help. Some good lists, mine included, are there. They have played well and are rather affordable for a standard deck that can compete.
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9 months ago ::
Oct 18, 2012 - 11:53AM
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Date Joined:
Jun 21, 2011
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Thanks guys! i'll check it out!
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9 months ago ::
Oct 18, 2012 - 12:17PM
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1: Every aggro deck is a worse version of zombies.
2: Don't listen to CFB writers who are not LSV, PV, or Caleb Durdward.
1000th post November 26, 2010. Where Islands gets his decks: Spoiler:
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It was revealed to me in a dream. All the cards were in my dream except for three slots which I plugged in as Vault Skirge.
FULL DISCLOSURE: The dream was post AVR so there was a copy of Slayer's Stronghold. I decided to keep it pre AVR in my post here.
EDIT: I just remembered. The Skirges might have been 2x Whipflare and 1x something else, probably War and Peace.
EDIT2: Currently 4-0 in my first four games with this. My opponents have been very angry. I fought off a Wurmcoil from Grixis for six turns before I found my second Dispatch. Jeez, I can do a lot of damage.
EDIT3: Streak broken. Lost to an unexpected Overrun.  Cracking a Shrine for 10 wasn't enough.
How Kedi tests his decks: Spoiler:
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also, I've been playtesting this deck in my sleep today
that kinda freaked me out
Sleeping on Halloween: Spoiler:
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Halloween is a conspiracy by crossdressers and furries.
 Thanks to Kipz for the sig. Make a contract with me to become a magical girl!
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9 months ago ::
Oct 18, 2012 - 1:41PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 14, 2007
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1: Every aggro deck is a worse version of zombies.
I think there's actually a U/R Aggro deck to be built that can tangle with Zombies. I'm trying to figure it out at the moment.
2: Don't listen to CFB writers who are not LSV, PV, or Caleb Durdward.
Owen Turtenwald is solid on those rare occasions when he parks his ego before he writes the article.
My blog (everyone else is doing it...): http://ideas-abounding.blogspot.com/ "Opinions are immunity to being told you're wrong. Paper, rock, and scissors, they all have their pros and cons." - Relient K DISCLAIMER: I'm not a nice person. MOTL Sale List: http://www.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/087367.html#0  Sig by the modest, yet talented, zpikduM.
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9 months ago ::
Oct 18, 2012 - 7:58PM
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1: Every aggro deck is a worse version of zombies.
I think there's actually a U/R Aggro deck to be built that can tangle with Zombies. I'm trying to figure it out at the moment.
2: Don't listen to CFB writers who are not LSV, PV, or Caleb Durdward.
Owen Turtenwald is solid on those rare occasions when he parks his ego before he writes the article.
I'll believe it when I see the list and playtest it myself.
And I'm rethinking Caleb. His last article involves him playing around something in such a way that he still loses to it, then insisting that it was the right play.
1000th post November 26, 2010. Where Islands gets his decks: Spoiler:
Show
It was revealed to me in a dream. All the cards were in my dream except for three slots which I plugged in as Vault Skirge.
FULL DISCLOSURE: The dream was post AVR so there was a copy of Slayer's Stronghold. I decided to keep it pre AVR in my post here.
EDIT: I just remembered. The Skirges might have been 2x Whipflare and 1x something else, probably War and Peace.
EDIT2: Currently 4-0 in my first four games with this. My opponents have been very angry. I fought off a Wurmcoil from Grixis for six turns before I found my second Dispatch. Jeez, I can do a lot of damage.
EDIT3: Streak broken. Lost to an unexpected Overrun. Cracking a Shrine for 10 wasn't enough.
How Kedi tests his decks: Spoiler:
Show
also, I've been playtesting this deck in my sleep today
that kinda freaked me out
Sleeping on Halloween: Spoiler:
Show
Halloween is a conspiracy by crossdressers and furries.
Thanks to Kipz for the sig. Make a contract with me to become a magical girl!
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9 months ago ::
Oct 19, 2012 - 4:56AM
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Date Joined:
May 17, 2012
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There seems to be a lot of the RTR Selesnia guild at the moment and thats Green/White with the populate mechanic and an uncountable creature, so any red could take working against that in mind. There is also at least one guild with red in it with a particularly powerful dragon.
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