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8 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2012 - 1:57PM #1
WotC_JohnS
Date Joined: Mar 17, 2012
Posts: 418
This thread is for discussion of this week's Limited Information, which goes live Wednesday morning on magicthegathering.com.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2012 - 11:32PM #2
LordCeviche
Date Joined: Feb 8, 2010
Posts: 29
I had an awesome draft since everyone around me was passing Izzet stuff.. Two izzet charms, three punishing fires, 4 of the goblin that made everything cheaper, a cancel, two frostburn weirds, two essence backlash , a cyclonic rift and the cherry on top; a Jace.. The hardest decision i had to make was when i passed a the hasted blue red dragon for the guildmage, my deck kicked butt and represented izzet... then the next day some jerk with two pack rats wiped everyone away... sigh. I still hatedrated a Dreadbore and a bloodcrypt..good times.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2012 - 6:08AM #3
rstnme
Date Joined: Aug 10, 2012
Posts: 2,501
Did WotC get a lot of complaints about draftng RtR? This is all pretty obvious stuff.
Limited Guidelines:

5.0: I will take this card no matter what: Pack Rat
4.5: Bomb and/or splashable creature or removal: Aetherling
4.0: Excellent first pick first pack, will sway me into same colors: Advent of the Wurm
3.5: Excellent first pack pick two, will confirm colors or possibly sway into second color. Gaze of Granite
3.0: Good in-color addition, or splashable removal/creature: Ascended Lawmage
2.5: Solid pick in-color: Bronzebeak Moa
2.0: Creatures 10-16; removal 6-7. Haazda Snare Squad
1.5: My 23rd or 22nd card, depending on removal. Wake the Reflections )
1.0: 23rd card if I don't maindeck an additional land: Murmuring Phantasm
0.5: This card will sometimes be sideboarded in: Uncovered Clues
0.0: I will shred this card for counters: Possibility Storm
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2012 - 6:25AM #4
Guest2042683381
Date Joined: Mar 10, 2009
Posts: 32
I just want to say that guttersnipe may be the best card for izzet barring the bombiest of bombs.  I had a game where I got my opponent to 12 before they stabilized.  I dug for cards and put them to 8 with the snipe while they bashed my face in and put me to 1.  I top decked the explosive impact to put them to 1 and then cast street spasm for 0 with my remaining red mana to win.  Also, thoughtflare is pretty strong in a control build.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2012 - 10:00AM #5
Paralistalon
Date Joined: Jul 10, 2003
Posts: 416
I completely agree that Guttersnipe is arguably the strongest non-rare card for Izzet to have.  I've stolen so many games with him and found a new love for throwing Lava Axes at the face.

My only complaint with Izzet is that the non-rare guild cards are so weak!  Frostburn Weird is a good card to have since I've found red and blue 2-drop creatures to be lacking, but all those Izzet sorceries are so weak!  Overload is completely underwhelming when you have cards like Downsize , Mizzium Skin , Dynacharge , and Chemister's Trick .  Most of them are combat tricks, and Izzet is the color of instants and sorceries, not creatures!  The other overload cards, Vandalblast and Electrickery , are also weak.  Only Street Spasm is decent (and even then, the overload cost is so steep!).  I think Izzet sorely needs an expensive sorcery that puts a big creature token with flying into play at uncommon.  There's not enough incentive for me to value Goblin Electromancer that high.  

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2012 - 11:52AM #6
jstorrie
Date Joined: Jan 29, 2005
Posts: 76
The problem with Izzet is that you are encouraged to go the Goblin Electromancer / Guttersnipe route yet that strategy just falls on its face in Limited. It's no Burning Vengeance.

The only 'Izzet' common I really want in Izzet is Frostburn Weird - aside from that I want mostly Rakdos stuff (Bloodfray Giant, Annihilating Fire, Splatter Thug), and at that point I'm asking myself, "why didn't I just draft Rakdos?" 
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 17, 2012 - 12:30PM #7
Spuuky
Date Joined: Apr 20, 2005
Posts: 130
Yeah, I mostly dislike the Izzet cards. It's just like the original Ravnica block to me in that regard, where I basically loved the blue and red mono-colored cards and drafted blue/red often in Ravnica, but then actually drafted it significantly less in Guildpact where Izzet was an actual guild. 
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