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8 months ago  ::  Oct 15, 2012 - 9:18PM #1
Lululemon
Date Joined: Jun 28, 2012
Posts: 9
I have a friend who has two self-mill decks, one centered around splinterfright and another centered around lumberknot. How would I go about building a deck that specifically defeats those decks? I was thinking about using Tormod's Crypt from M13, but I haven't a clue as to how to beat the decks. Any ideas would be highly appreciated.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 15, 2012 - 9:39PM #2
RagingGoblinGrenade
Date Joined: Sep 8, 2012
Posts: 236
Instead of building a deck to just go against his self-mill decks, try sideboarding in a set of Tormod's Crypt into your normal decks. If you run black you can also go with Bojuka Bog To get some extra exile. There's also Thraben Heretic in white, but she's slower than the other options. Or you could just go about killing his big creatures.

One other option is to fight fire with fire, sort of speak. Run your own greaveyard-happy deck with cards like Mortivore and Bonehoard . Let him fuel your field as well. then it can be a clash of the dead-loving titans! Oh, and you could use Liliana Vess or Grimoire of the Dead to take every critter from his 'yard and plop em on your field. That should stop him right quick!
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 15, 2012 - 10:57PM #3
Sleeping
Date Joined: Sep 23, 2011
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Cards like Barter in Blood get around Lumberknot 's hexproof. Trinket Mage is able to fetch Crypt among other useful things, though I'd recommend Relic of Progenitus since it draws you a card and can be used to constantly lock down his graveyard by tapping it. You can kill Splinterfright with your standard black and white removal spells usually, bounce and counters are options in blue, and Trinket Mage can even fetch Brittle Effigy which does the job. In white you can use something like Day of Judgment instead of Barter to deal with his hexproof guy. In blue another option is just to stick a Fog Bank in front of his creatures. Evasion like flying, intimidate, and shadow works for getting around the opposing creatures.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2012 - 12:40AM #4
DRYIYC
Date Joined: Apr 29, 2008
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Leyline of the Void . If you have too you can mill to a card and play it in your opening hand every time. Not recomanded but it can save you.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2012 - 7:23AM #5
Lululemon
Date Joined: Jun 28, 2012
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@raginggoblingrenade: I'm building a deck specifically targeting his self-mill decks. While I know it's not necessary, I want a specific deck built against self-mill.
@Sleeping: I don't exactly know what type of deck I'm running as of yet. That's one of the reasons why I made this thread. If anything, I want the deck to be fast, so red will probably make its way into the deck.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2012 - 7:39AM #6
slave
Date Joined: Jul 22, 2011
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Is he playing Laboratory Maniac as an alternate win-con?
If not, Tormods Crypt or Rest in Peace are great options.

.....or you race them, play Dredge and show them how to do it properly - Dredge is a great deck against many different matchup's
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2012 - 9:30AM #7
jnp5021
Date Joined: May 2, 2011
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Lol @slave telling the newbie to play dredge...hahaha! Like that will fly.

And luluemon. Don't build a deck just to solely fight another one. That is super lame. Cuz then all he has to do is say switch to something like RDW and he will hose you. Build a deck that is actually good and can handle a self-mill deck with sideboard pieces. I'd recommend either a super fast aggro route or control.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2012 - 11:47AM #8
Lululemon
Date Joined: Jun 28, 2012
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@slave: he used to have laboratory maniac as an alternate win, but no longer. I was thinking about dredge, but I'm not sure if I like it or not. I have to continue playing the one I have constructed some more before I can make a decision.
@jnp5021: I know I sound like a newbie and I kind of am >\\<. I only built 7 decks so far and they all worked pretty well. The reason why I'm building such a specific deck is because I just want to. It's only for casual play and just to spite my friend a bit because he usually wins against me. He's doing the same against my red/black vampires deck. I am considering the fast aggro deck, but haven't made a decision yet. I already have a control deck, but I don't usually use it because I haven't refined it.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2012 - 12:19PM #9
jnp5021
Date Joined: May 2, 2011
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First up-being new is totally fine-I didn't mean to offend you; if I have, my apologies.

I understand wanting to spite your friend and build the "anti" deck to his cuz you are tired of getting beaten. I'm telling you though, doing that severely limits your ability to grow and learn proper deck building.

Let me put it this way; you are limiting your own growth by taking the easy way out. It's EASY to build an anti-deck. Grab all the hate pieces you can and win. But like I said, you will lose when he switches decks because you are so finely tuned for 1 deck. You are also being REACTIVE instead of PROACTIVE.  Force him to play your game, to switch his plays for your end game, make him work for it.

Building a real deck that seeks to win, not "plays not to lose", is not hard and it sounds like you are on the path already with some of your other decks. So lets see what you are working with, say, with control (my favorite), and build a deck that not only beats his, but also beats other decks.

We can also do aggro, cuz it tends to be more budget friendly than control (if that's an issue)
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2012 - 12:29PM #10
RagingGoblinGrenade
Date Joined: Sep 8, 2012
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I agree completely with jnp5021. It's not worth it to go and buy/trade to get cards for a narrow-purpose deck. It's better to have some general "hate" in each deck you build. I usually have between 8-10 cards in my decks meant to control my opponent's actions in some way (either counter , kill , pacify , protect , etc). Learning to build more adaptable decks will improve your games and your chances of winning.
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