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Oct 13, 2012 -- 6:34AM, dslatimore wrote:

So when the 2nd shock targets the creature, the creature becomes the target of 2 spells or abilities.  This doesn't meet the criteria of triggering the ability, does it?

Which part of the trigger condition is it not meeting?

"Whenever Angelic Protector becomes the target of a spell or ability"

Yes or no: Is the second Shock a spell or ability?

Yes or no, did Angelic Protector become the target of the second Shock?

700.1. Anything that happens in a game is an event. Multiple events may take place during the resolution of a spell or ability. The text of triggered abilities and replacement effects defines the event they're looking for. One "happening" may be treated as a single event by one ability and as multiple events by another.
Example: If an attacking creature is blocked by two creatures, this is one event for a triggered ability that reads "Whenever [this creature] becomes blocked" but two events for a triggered ability that reads "Whenever [this creature] becomes blocked by a creature."

Escaped Null 's ability triggers only once during the turn-based action of declaring blockers no matter how many creatures it becomes blocked by. After, if an additional creature enters battlefield blocking it, the ability does not trigger.

Ashmouth Hound 's ability triggers for each creature that it becomes blocked by during the turn-based action of declaring blockers. After, if an additional creature enters battlefield blocking it, the ability triggers again. Ashmouth Hound goes from being not blocked by that creature to being blocked by that creature.

Amphibious Kavu 's ability triggers only once during the turn-based action of declaring blockers no matter how many blue and/or black creatures it becomes blocked by. After, if one or more blue and/or black creatures enters battlefield blocking it, the ability triggers again. Amphibious Kavu goes from being not blocked by those blue and/or black creatures to being blocked by them.

Oct 13, 2012 -- 10:51AM, Argus_Panoptes wrote:

Oct 13, 2012 -- 6:34AM, dslatimore wrote:

So when the 2nd shock targets the creature, the creature becomes the target of 2 spells or abilities.  This doesn't meet the criteria of triggering the ability, does it?

Which part of the trigger condition is it not meeting?

"Whenever Angelic Protector becomes the target of a spell or ability"

Yes or no: Is the second Shock a spell or ability?

Yes or no, did Angelic Protector become the target of the second Shock?

700.1. Anything that happens in a game is an event. Multiple events may take place during the resolution of a spell or ability. The text of triggered abilities and replacement effects defines the event they're looking for. One "happening" may be treated as a single event by one ability and as multiple events by another.
Example: If an attacking creature is blocked by two creatures, this is one event for a triggered ability that reads "Whenever [this creature] becomes blocked" but two events for a triggered ability that reads "Whenever [this creature] becomes blocked by a creature."

I agree with you.  I apply the same reasoning to Amphibious Kavu .  It gets blocked by one or more creatures when a blocker is declared blocking it.  It then gets blocked by one or more creatures again when Flash Foliage puts another guy into play blocking it (made blue by Painter's Servant .   When the saproling came into play blocking it, did it become blocked by one or more blue and/or black creatures, yes or no?

Oct 13, 2012 -- 8:50PM, Segoth wrote:

PirateAmmo I agree with your interpretation of the Amphibious Kavu , however the problem is there is a card ruling that states it only triggers once during combat.

The ruling states what happens under normal circumstances. Remember the first golden rule?

Oct 14, 2012 -- 3:16AM, dslatimore wrote:

I've never heard about any golden rules.  Did I miss a post I was supposed to read?

101. The _Magic_ Golden Rules

101.1. Whenever a card's text directly contradicts these rules, the card takes precedence. The card overrides only the rule that applies to that specific situation. The only exception is that a player can concede the game at any time (see rule 104.3a).

101.2. When a rule or effect allows or directs something to happen, and another effect states that it can't happen, the "can't" effect takes precedence.
Example: If one effect reads "You may play an additional land this turn" and another reads "You can't play land cards this turn," the effect that precludes you from playing lands wins.

101.2a Adding abilities to objects and removing abilities from objects don't fall under this rule. (See rule 112.10.)

101.3. Any part of an instruction that's impossible to perform is ignored. (In many cases the card will specify consequences for this; if it doesn't, there's no effect.)

101.4. If multiple players would make choices and/or take actions at the same time, the active player (the player whose turn it is) makes any choices required, then the next player in turn order (usually the player seated to the active player's left) makes any choices required, followed by the remaining nonactive players in turn order. Then the actions happen simultaneously. This rule is often referred to as the "Active Player, Nonactive Player (APNAP) order" rule.
Example: A card reads "Each player sacrifices a creature." First, the active player chooses a creature he or she controls. Then each of the nonactive players, in turn order, chooses a creature he or she controls. Then all creatures chosen this way are sacrificed simultaneously.

101.4a If an effect has each player choose a card in a hidden zone, such as his or her hand or library, those cards may remain face down as they're chosen. However, each player must clearly indicate which face-down card he or she is choosing.

101.4b A player knows the choices made by the previous players when he or she makes his or her choice, except as specified in 101.4a.

101.4c If a player would make more than one choice at the same time, the player makes the choices in the order written, or in the order he or she chooses if the choices aren't ordered.

101.4d If a choice made by a nonactive player causes the active player, or a different nonactive player earlier in the turn order, to have to make a choice, APNAP order is restarted for all outstanding choices.