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8 months ago ::
Oct 11, 2012 - 3:45PM
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I control Cloak and Dagger  and March of the Machines  . My opponent casts Turn to Frog  on the Cloak, then destroys the March. Until end of turn, will the Cloak be: - a Tribal Artifact - Frog Rogue Equipment; - a Tribal Artifact - Frog Equipment; or - a Creature - Frog?
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8 months ago ::
Oct 11, 2012 - 3:49PM
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****ing layers :D
I think it will be a blue Tribal Artifact - Frog Equipment
it does not have its trigger, it does not have the equip ability and if it is somehow equipped will do nothing to the equipped creature
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8 months ago ::
Oct 11, 2012 - 5:15PM
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Enigma's correct; it'll be a blue Tribal Artifact - Frog Equipment with no abilities.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 11, 2012 - 5:25PM
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Thanks guys!
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8 months ago ::
Oct 11, 2012 - 8:50PM
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...if it is somehow equipped...
March turned it into a creature: it cannot have been equipping anything... but it can become equipped! 
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Sounds familiar?
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8 months ago ::
Oct 11, 2012 - 9:11PM
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that's what the "somehow" implied
it would have fallen off when it became a creature, but after it turned back into a non-creature there are ways to equip it, despite not having the equip ability
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8 months ago ::
Oct 11, 2012 - 9:11PM
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The layering is not that hard this time: Frog applied to Cloak, thanks to March. Because it did apply, it will continue to apply, even when March leaves, thanks to rule 611.2c. We can actually forget about March, so we're left with a Cloak affected by Frog. So what does Frog do, exactly? 1) Remove any previous creature subtype (Rogue) and replace with Frog (layer 4) 2) Remove any previous color and make it blue (layer 5) 3) Remove all abilities (layer 6) 4) Make its P/T = 1/1 (layer 7b, but irrelevant since March is gone) Quite simple actually! Rule 611.2c
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611.2c If a continuous effect generated by the resolution of a spell or ability modifies the characteristics or changes the controller of any objects, the set of objects it affects is determined when that continuous effect begins. After that point, the set won’t change. (Note that this works differently than a continuous effect from a static ability.) A continuous effect generated by the resolution of a spell or ability that doesn’t modify the characteristics or change the controller of any objects modifies the rules of the game, so it can affect objects that weren’t affected when that continuous effect began.
«Dystocracy : A system of government in which corrupt leadership colludes with dishonest bankers and greedy elites in order to ensure that productive members of society –people who actually do useful work- bear the greatest share of taxes while gaining the least benefit possible.»
Sounds familiar?
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8 months ago ::
Oct 12, 2012 - 7:16AM
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The crux of my question was whether or not Turn to Frog 's effect caused Cloak and Dagger to remain a creature after the March left. As I should have expected, cards do only what they say and no more (usually).
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