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8 months ago ::
Oct 11, 2012 - 2:30PM
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If I Seance  my Fiend Hunter  then target opponent's creature for exile (trigger), and respond with Rootborn Defense  copying my token of Fiendhunter which then enters the battelfied targetting my first Fiendhunter token, will I exile their creature forever?
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8 months ago ::
Oct 11, 2012 - 2:33PM
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Yes that works. Also the token created by Rootborn Defense is a Spirit, but it will not be exiled at the beginning of the next end step. Seance Fiend Hunter
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8 months ago ::
Oct 11, 2012 - 2:33PM
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yes
also your exiled fiendhunter token will cease to exist, it can never return to the battlefield
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8 months ago ::
Oct 12, 2012 - 6:19AM
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Doesn't exiling your first fiend hunter token trigger it's "leave's the battlefield" condition returning your opponents creature? Why doesn't it?
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8 months ago ::
Oct 12, 2012 - 6:30AM
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It doesn't return the opponent's creature because that creature hasn't been exiled yet. The main trick here is to manipulate events so that Fiend Hunter's leaves-the-battlefield ability triggers before its enters-the-battlefield trigger resolves.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 12, 2012 - 6:53AM
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Doesn't exiling your first fiend hunter token trigger it's "leave's the battlefield" condition?
yes
returning your opponents creature?
no
Why doesn't it?
because the first trigger hasn't even exiled anything yet when the second trigger resolves
the key point is that he uses the spell in response to the exile trigger, if he had let that trigger resolve first, then it would return it
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8 months ago ::
Oct 12, 2012 - 7:38AM
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So this would work similarly if you oblivion ring  an oblivion ring you just cast? if I understand the mechanic at work.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 12, 2012 - 7:39AM
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indeed, that'd work (assumining you could cast a Ring in response - which you couldn't normally do) but you could just destroy (or bounce or blink or exile) the Oblivion Ring before it exiles the permanent (say with Naturalize  ) and achieve the same thing eg. 1) cast Oblivion Ring 2) let it resolve and it enters the field triggering its enter the field trigger 3) you choose a target for the EtB trigger putting it on the stack 4) you cast Naturalize targeting the Oblivion Ring 5) Naturalize resolves destroying Ring and triggering its leaves the field trigger 6) its LtB trigger resolves returning nothing 7) its EtB trigger resolves permanently exiling the targeted permanent My personal favourite is Sundial of the Infinite  + Sudden Disappearance  to exile his stuff permanently.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 12, 2012 - 7:41AM
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Provided you could give the Oblivion Ring  flash.
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