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9 months ago ::
Oct 09, 2012 - 7:45AM
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Hey all  At the start of the game, who ever wins the dice roll (etc) gets to choose whether they want to go first or second. Afterwards, they get to see their opening hand. Im sure however that I read somewhere that if a player looks at his or her hand before deciding whether to go first or second, then it is simply assumed that they chose to go first as a default. Im having difficulty finding this rule however... can anyone help? ~ Tim
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Not bad. But what happens flavor wise when one kamahl kills the other one?
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That makes no sense to me.
If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed?
~ Tim
Yup, just like you can have Birds of paradise  in a mono green deck but not Noble Hierarch  . YAY COLOR IDENTITY 
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9 months ago ::
Oct 09, 2012 - 7:46AM
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That's found in the Magic Tournament Rules doc: 2.2 Play/Draw Rule
For the first game of a match, the winner of a random method (such as a die roll or coin toss) chooses either to play first or to play second. The winner must state this choice before looking at his or her hand. If the winner states no choice, it is assumed that he or she is playing first. The player who plays first skips the draw step of his or her first turn. This is referred to as the play/draw rule.
[...] 2.3 Pregame Procedures
The following steps must be performed before each game begins:
1. Players may exchange cards in their decks for cards in their sideboards. Players may only do this after the first or subsequent game of the match and not for games that are restarted or games that are drawn before any game actions are taken.
2. Players shuffle their decks. Steps 1 and 2 may be repeated.
3. Players present their decks to their opponents for additional shuffling. The sideboard (if any) is also presented at this time.
4. After the first or subsequent game of the match, the relevant player must decide whether to play first or second at this point, if he or she hasn't done so already. If that player doesn't choose before looking at the cards in his or her hand, then he or she is considered to have chosen to play first.
5. Players shuffle their opponents’ decks.
6. Each player draws seven cards. Optionally, these cards may be dealt face down on the table.
7. Each player, in turn order, decides whether to mulligan. (Rules on mulligans can be found in the
Magic Comprehensive rules, Section 103.4). If a player mulligans, they repeat the shuffling and
presentation process described above.
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9 months ago ::
Oct 09, 2012 - 7:47AM
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this is what the tournament rules say:
For the first game of a match, the winner of a random method (such as a die roll or coin toss) chooses either to play first or to play second. The winner must state this choice before looking at his or her hand. If the winner states no choice, it is assumed that he or she is playing first. The player who plays first skips the draw step of his or her first turn. This is referred to as the play/draw rule.
I think that covers it
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9 months ago ::
Oct 09, 2012 - 7:50AM
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I guess it's not in CR because it is somewhat of an illegal move...
one should decide first (103.2), THEN look at cards (103.3).
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9 months ago ::
Oct 09, 2012 - 7:54AM
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Thanks guys. I was starting to worry the rule had been removed... I guess it's not in CR because it is somewhat of an illegal move...
one should decide first (103.2), THEN look at cards (103.3).
Couldnt it be considered a sort of shortcut or out of order sequencing?
~ Tim
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Not bad. But what happens flavor wise when one kamahl kills the other one?
Zis iz a sign uf deep psychological troma, buried in zer subconscious mind. By keelink himzelf, Kamahl iz physically expressink hiz feelinks uf self-disgust ova hiz desire for hiz muzzer. [/GermanPsychologistVoice]
That makes no sense to me.
If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed?
~ Tim
Yup, just like you can have Birds of paradise in a mono green deck but not Noble Hierarch . YAY COLOR IDENTITY
Is algebra really that difficult?
Survey says yes.
You want to make a milky drink. You squeeze a cow.
I love this description. Like the cows are sponges filled with milk. I can see it all Nick Parks claymation-style with the cow's eyes bugging out momentarily as a giant farmer squeezes it like a squeaky dog toy, and milk shoots out of it.
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9 months ago ::
Oct 09, 2012 - 7:56AM
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Couldnt it be considered a sort of shortcut or out of order sequencing?
yes, that's why it is in the tournament rules, and not in the comprehensive rules
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9 months ago ::
Oct 09, 2012 - 8:31AM
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Couldnt it be considered a sort of shortcut?
yes, that's exactly what it is
or out of order sequencing?
no, it doesn't conform to the OOS rules because the player gains an advantage in looking at his hand before choosing.
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