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8 months ago  ::  Oct 09, 2012 - 6:41AM #1
AzureShade
Date Joined: Jan 30, 2012
Posts: 3,703

Okay, I've got four copies of Pack Rat and want to get a deck that features it together for Game Day in a few weeks.  I've got my eye on a discard themed rat deck but I'm worried that it just doesn't have enough umph to get me very far.

Creatures:
4 Typhoid Rats
4 Drainpipe Vermin
4 Ravenous Rats
4 Pack Rat

Spells:
4 Duress
4 Sign in Blood

Planeswalker:
4 Liliana of the Veil


That's what I have so far.  I'm not sure if I should splash another color to get access to the new rare kill spells , and I'm not sure what to do to prevent seeing my board vanish under a barrage of Electrickery .  Any advice would be awesome as I have the sneaking suspicion that I'm going down the wrong path with this.  I remember someone around here was toying with a Pack Rat deck earlier, but for the life of me I cannot find that old thread.

Dec 18, 2012 -- 7:05PM, magicpablo666 wrote:

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in an thread with GM_Champion" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against AzureShade when card design is on the line!

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 09, 2012 - 6:50AM #2
green_girl
Date Joined: Jun 17, 2007
Posts: 698
You know what would be cool? Naming this deck....


Rat of God. 
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 09, 2012 - 6:58AM #3
AzureShade
Date Joined: Jan 30, 2012
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Only if I can get it to win.  I've also been considering adding in the new Rack known as Shrieking Affliction .

Dec 18, 2012 -- 7:05PM, magicpablo666 wrote:

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in an thread with GM_Champion" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against AzureShade when card design is on the line!

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 09, 2012 - 7:26AM #4
Scally
Date Joined: Aug 5, 2011
Posts: 68
I'm building a Pack Rat deck too. Though I don't have 4 Pack Rat s yet. Its not finished yet but this is what I'm going with.

Pack rat - Obviously 4-of!!
Typhoid Rats
Drainpipe Vermin - not sure if Black Cat might be better if less flavourful?
Ravenous Rats
Sign in Blood - going to be discarding quite a bit to Pack Rat so need the draw!
Cavern of Souls - always naming rats.
Duress
Mind Rot
Night Terrors
Appetite for Brains
Tragic Slip
Murder
Mutilate
Shrieking Affliction - lots of hand disruption to turn this on!
Altar's Reap

If I splash White I can take Rootborn Defenses , Safe Passage and Vault of the Archangel

As I said I don't have firm numbers yet but once I've made my 60. I'll post the list for critique and refinement!!
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 09, 2012 - 7:27AM #5
Asy1umRat
Date Joined: Nov 17, 2011
Posts: 141
Definitely do Shrieking Affliction but also consider Liliana of the Dark Realms . She gets you the lands to power Pack Rat and you can use her ultimate to some actual effectiveness. Mind Rot , Murder and Ultimate Price are other options to consider.

edit: I'm late. Those cards listed above are good options, though. I agree with splashing white, even if ony for the Vault of the Archangel . A horde of large deathtouch/lifelink rats is pretty damn effective. I, personally, would stay away from Alter's Reap and Mutilate just from experience. Mutilate is a ridiculously good card and can be effective if you can ensure your own rats won't blow up, too. Consider a couple, but use sparingly. Altar's Reap is just really underwhelming, plus it has the draw back of making your Pack Rat smaller, even if just by 1.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 09, 2012 - 7:32AM #6
AzureShade
Date Joined: Jan 30, 2012
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I also own four Disciple of Bolas , which I think may work well with my big rat tokens.

Dec 18, 2012 -- 7:05PM, magicpablo666 wrote:

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in an thread with GM_Champion" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against AzureShade when card design is on the line!

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 09, 2012 - 8:48AM #7
Scally
Date Joined: Aug 5, 2011
Posts: 68
Asy1umRat (best rat-y name for this thread):
I'm not too sold on Dark Realms, Lil', maybe if there was a big Consume Spirit spell to aim for... Liliana of the Veil might be a better option for the discard effect.

But here's my list. It feels really small for 60 cards, I guess so much of my deck is geared to making   Shrieking Affliction work, I haven't been able to squeze in the ammount of Kill Spells I want.

Rat Suite:
4x Typhoid Rat
4x Drainpipe Vermin
4x Pack Rat
4x Ravenous Rat

Discard:
4x Shrieking Affliction
4x Duress
3x Night Terrors
3x Mind Rot

Kill:
3x Tragic Slip
2x Mutilate

Draw:
3x Altar's Reap
4x Sign in Blood

Land:
4x Cavern of Souls
14x Swamp

Like I said, I couldn't fit much in. What could I take out to make room to splash white, or even for a Murder or two?
Time to test this and start tweaking.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 09, 2012 - 9:22AM #8
Jman22
Date Joined: Mar 12, 2006
Posts: 2,796
So, yeah, Pack Rat doesn't need other rats... Just Pack Rat. I've been wanting to play a deck similar to this, but I'm not brave enough:

4 Pack Rat
4 Invisible Stalker

4 Runechanter's Pike

4 Faith's Shield
4 Divination
2 Sphinxes' Revelation
2 Amass the Components
1 Inspiration
1 Thoughtflare
4 Thought Scour
2 Underworld Connections 
1 Epic Experiment

3 Jace, Architect of Thought

4 Blood Crypt
4 Hallowed Fountain
4 Steam Vents
7 Swamp
2 Island
2 Plains
 
(at)MrEnglish22
"still a better Commander card than Emmara Tandris"
-On the topic of Squire
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 09, 2012 - 10:57AM #9
Asy1umRat
Date Joined: Nov 17, 2011
Posts: 141

Oct 9, 2012 -- 8:48AM, Scally wrote:

Asy1umRat (best rat-y name for this thread):
I'm not too sold on Dark Realms, Lil', maybe if there was a big Consume Spirit spell to aim for... Liliana of the Veil might be a better option for the discard effect.

But here's my list. It feels really small for 60 cards, I guess so much of my deck is geared to making   Shrieking Affliction work, I haven't been able to squeze in the ammount of Kill Spells I want.

Rat Suite:
4x Typhoid Rat
4x Drainpipe Vermin
4x Pack Rat
4x Ravenous Rat

Discard:
4x Shrieking Affliction
4x Duress
3x Night Terrors
3x Mind Rot

Kill:
3x Tragic Slip
2x Mutilate

Draw:
3x Altar's Reap
4x Sign in Blood

Land:
4x Cavern of Souls
14x Swamp

Like I said, I couldn't fit much in. What could I take out to make room to splash white, or even for a Murder or two?
Time to test this and start tweaking.





do you A) Find yourself emptying your hand too quickly, or B) not having the appropriate answers? I think you could drop the Altar's Reap s and make Night Terrors , Mind Rot , and Tragic Slip 4-of's. I also don't think you need 4 Cavern of Souls . 2 should be enough. Also, do you find 18 lands being enough?

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 09, 2012 - 11:02AM #10
Shakedown7
Date Joined: Sep 18, 2012
Posts: 5
What about Stab Wound to help hurry the damage over time you are getting with Affliction?
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