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9 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2012 - 6:16AM #31
AzureShade
Date Joined: Jan 30, 2012
Posts: 3,908

The inclusion of Rakdos seems out of place.  Other than being a surprise punch to the face, he's a four mana 6/6 demon that doesn't do much for your low casting cost creatures and may not actually be playable if you can't get in for a least a little damage.  Desecration Demon would give you more bang for your buck if you really needed a four-drop demon in the first place.

Other than that, your removal suite is pretty solid, though hexproof creatures are going to laugh at you.  Then again, all your dead spells will just become discard fodder for Pack Rat so you can just laugh right back.  I like Brimstone Volley over Auger Spree .  It has a bit more reach and you can either use it in conjunction with a blocking rat to kill that extra big creature, or toss five damage right at your opponent's head.

Dec 18, 2012 -- 7:05PM, magicpablo666 wrote:

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in an thread with GM_Champion" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against AzureShade when card design is on the line!

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2012 - 8:53AM #32
Metriccandy
Date Joined: Oct 14, 2012
Posts: 1
Why does no one suggest Veilborn Ghoul
Not to play them but to have in hand to discard, then play swamp and discard again = lots of rats.

Or am I missing the point?

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2012 - 8:55AM #33
Scally
Date Joined: Aug 5, 2011
Posts: 70
My Rat deck went 1-2@ last FNM so some changes are maybe in order.

Is the consensus now to go B/R and try to Aggro out? Rather than playing a more control based discard suite?
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2012 - 9:36AM #34
Asy1umRat
Date Joined: Nov 17, 2011
Posts: 152
I think a B/W populate may work better, but I'd need to actually test more. My friend has a version that usues populate to great effect, so I'll see what his build is later. Veilborn Ghoul for discard is actually an interesting idea... I don't like the card under 99% of the places it does see use, but as a free discard its nice, though I'd only do it in mono black. I still will advocate Liliana of the Dark Realm for a Pack Rat deck. 
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2012 - 10:21AM #35
AzureShade
Date Joined: Jan 30, 2012
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Oct 16, 2012 -- 8:55AM, Scally wrote:

Is the consensus now to go B/R and try to Aggro out? Rather than playing a more control based discard suite?


I stand by my discard suite as it has been serving me rather well.  I haven't decided yet if splashing white for Vault of the Archangel is worth it yet, or if I want to try another color.

Dec 18, 2012 -- 7:05PM, magicpablo666 wrote:

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in an thread with GM_Champion" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against AzureShade when card design is on the line!

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 16, 2012 - 12:47PM #36
Scally
Date Joined: Aug 5, 2011
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Oct 16, 2012 -- 10:21AM, AzureShade wrote:

I stand by my discard suite as it has been serving me rather well.  I haven't decided yet if splashing white for Vault of the Archangel is worth it yet, or if I want to try another color.




I went White for the Vault too. Also it grants me access to a little Populate in Rootborn Defenses .

I'm not sure what I'd take from Red though.
Burn seems unnecessary as I have removal that even gets around Hexproof, Mutilate and Tribute to Hunger . I'm going to try 'Tribute in place of Murder in my deck.

I do like the idea of dark Mikaeus, so I might try fitting him in, but with BBB in his cost, it becomes harder to move into other colours... 

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 19, 2012 - 9:54AM #37
Flopfoot
Date Joined: Jul 16, 2007
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I threw this idea together quickly... its untested but I'm more interested to know what you think of the ideas (mail as a sac outlet, affliction and rebirth support discard effects, underworld as draw engine)

24 Swamp

4 Drainpipe Vermin
4 Black Cat
4 Pack Rat
4 Ravenous Rats

4 Shrieking Affliction
4 Vile Rebirth
4 Murder
4 Underworld Connections   
4 Demonmail Hauberk          
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 19, 2012 - 10:08AM #38
AzureShade
Date Joined: Jan 30, 2012
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I'm not sure Demonmail Hauberk does any better than just putting your rats and cats into the red zone repeatedly as attackers or chump blockers. 

Dec 18, 2012 -- 7:05PM, magicpablo666 wrote:

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in an thread with GM_Champion" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against AzureShade when card design is on the line!

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 22, 2012 - 10:26AM #39
AzureShade
Date Joined: Jan 30, 2012
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I'm just going to bump this up and see if there are any more suggestions to be made before Game Day this weekend.

Dec 18, 2012 -- 7:05PM, magicpablo666 wrote:

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in an thread with GM_Champion" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go in against AzureShade when card design is on the line!

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 22, 2012 - 11:06AM #40
Saidin311
Date Joined: Nov 21, 2008
Posts: 529
Beware of loxodon smiter . You definitely need some sort of creature kill for that thing. It will be played in G/W/B decks.

I'm playing a Junk build that is attacking hands with discard spells and that card is an issue, dropping a rat turn 2 and seeing this across the board is rough indeed.

Randomly scavenge cards can give you added value out of a packrat discard. Lingering Souls works nice too since it can flash back for some blockers in the air.
According to everyone on these forums. You should only play the best decks in whatever format you want. You are a bad player and should just quit if you intend on using anything else.
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