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8 months ago ::
Oct 05, 2012 - 11:27AM
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Lo folks. Grave Betrayal  Lets say I have Betrayal on the field (henceforth mentioned as GB) and a creature my opponent controls "dies". << I hate that keyword. During the second main phase my opponent destroys GB. What happens at the beginning of the next upkeep? As GB was in play when the creature "died" but is no longer there come begiining of next end step.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 05, 2012 - 11:30AM
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Jul 28, 2010
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the delayed trigger has already been setup, the creature will return, regardless if GB still exists
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8 months ago ::
Oct 05, 2012 - 11:39AM
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Thank you, it was as I had assumed.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 05, 2012 - 1:37PM
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Addendum to the question: would the creature cease being a zombie once Grave Betrayal was gone?
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8 months ago ::
Oct 05, 2012 - 1:40PM
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No. Continuous effects created by spells and abilities other than static abilities last until an explicitly given event (e.g. "until end of turn") or until end of game if no expiration is given. These effects exist independently of their sources.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 05, 2012 - 1:40PM
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Addendum to the question: would the creature cease being a zombie once Grave Betrayal was gone?
No.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 05, 2012 - 1:41PM
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no, it will remain a black zombie (in addition to its other colors and types) regardless of GB's status
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8 months ago ::
Oct 05, 2012 - 1:44PM
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Jul 19, 2012
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No. Continuous effects created abilities and spells other than static abilities last until end of game unless otherwise stated. They are independent of their source.
How do you determine that this is a continuous effect rather than a static ability? Is it because the card specifically references the creature type change to "that creature" rather than say something along the lines of "all creatures reanimated by grave betrayal are black zombies in addition to their other colors and types"
edit: I realize that "reanimated" means nothing with regard to the rules
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8 months ago ::
Oct 05, 2012 - 1:46PM
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How do you determine that this is a continuous effect rather than a static ability?
Do you mean "How do you determine that the continuous effect is created by a static ability or by something else?"
Well, abilities that start with "Whenever" are triggered abilities. As such, the effect is created by a triggered ability, not a static ability.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 05, 2012 - 1:48PM
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it's because "that creature is a black zombie" is part of the delayed trigger
if it was a static ability by GB it would be in a seperate line
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