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9 months ago  ::  Oct 07, 2012 - 8:48PM #21
badabababa
Date Joined: Aug 29, 2009
Posts: 37
Points taken. Is forbid even completely nessecary if I need to remove stuff just to fit in draw to make it useful?... Peek seemed like a pretty reasonable draw since it gives me a view of the opponents hand so I know what to counter like you said, and a draw. Yah?... I'm getting the hang of that magic search engine now. Think serum visions could find a place in this deck?

20x island
2x faerie conclave

4x rune snag
2x mana leak
4x counterspell
4x forbid
2x dismiss

3x gitaxian probe
3x preordain
2x peek
1x brainstorm

3x into the roil
4x psionic blast

3x sphinx of jwar isle
3x delver of secrets
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 07, 2012 - 9:14PM #22
Sleeping
Date Joined: Sep 23, 2011
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Peek is strictly worse than Gitaxian Probe , so why would you run two Peek when you only have three Probe in your deck? I also don't think Peek is very good, forcing you to pay a mana to cycle it is a pretty big downside.


Serum Visions is good, but only if you already have a complete set of Preordain , since scrying first is better. I also wouldn't run Brainstorm without the expensive fetch lands to shuffle your library.


Forbid I think is good, since it insures you counters when you need them. You might not need four of them though. Like I said though, card draw is essential. Without card draw you could get stuck with less counters than your opponent has threats, and Forbid won't be as good.

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 08, 2012 - 5:05AM #23
badabababa
Date Joined: Aug 29, 2009
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Oct 7, 2012 -- 9:14PM, Sleeping wrote:


Peek is strictly worse than Gitaxian Probe , so why would you run two Peek when you only have three Probe in your deck?



That makes perfect sense... Not sure what I was thinking.


Oct 7, 2012 -- 9:14PM, Sleeping wrote:

Serum Visions is good, but only if you already have a complete set of Preordain , since scrying first is better.



Also a no brainer...


Oct 7, 2012 -- 9:14PM, Sleeping wrote:

I also wouldn't run Brainstorm without the expensive fetch lands to shuffle your library.



Not sure why a fetchland would be nessecary to run w/ brainstorm ? Is it simply because you can shuffle after you trigger it so you can get rid of 2 cards u don't want?... Still seems useful w/o that option.


Oct 7, 2012 -- 9:14PM, Sleeping wrote:

Forbid I think is good, since it insures you counters when you need them. You might not need four of them though. Like I said though, card draw is essential. Without card draw you could get stuck with less counters than your opponent has threats, and Forbid won't be as good.




I think we're getting there. How's this?


20x island
2x faerie conclave

4x rune snag
4x mana leak
4x counterspell
3x dismiss

4x gitaxian probe
4x preordain

3x into the roil
4x psionic blast

2x everflowing chalice (maybe?... I also pondered a single  nevinrryl's disk but figured only 1 wouldn't prove too effective)

3x sphinx of jwar isle
3x delver of secrets

Thoughts?

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 08, 2012 - 1:54PM #24
Sleeping
Date Joined: Sep 23, 2011
Posts: 4,302

Well the thing about Brainstorm is even though it gets you three new cards right away, it essentially deprives you of two of your draw steps. It is better than Reach Through Mist , but not on the level of spells that actually filter for you. If you have Fetches or other shuffle effects though it is probably the best filter spell in the game.


This deck might be able to use some Force Spike . I don't think Gitaxian Probe is really necessary, and you need to spend your life on Psionic Blast anyway. Speaking of Blast, I'd cut Blast to three and kick the Roils up to four.


And you still need draw. I would not rely on Dismiss and Into the Roil as your only draw. Run a couple Fact or Fiction or something. I'd recommend Gush , but it's worse in a deck with Sphinx of Jwar Isle .

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 08, 2012 - 2:33PM #25
badabababa
Date Joined: Aug 29, 2009
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I really don't see how running the sphinx of jwar isle would effect gush in any way?... Are you saying that because returning the two lands to hand essentially slows down the sphinx hitting the board? It can always be played for it's converted 5 too.

I'm contemplating removing the psionic blast all together? Heck, think running 4 Accumulated knowledge < /span> would fit here?... Or even amass the components ? While searching cards I came across a few of these... Maybe I can fit a couple of these in for draw? counsel of the soratami , deep analysis , or divination . Can't decide if the extra 1 converted cost is worth that flashback...



20x island
2x faerie conclave

4x rune snag
4x mana leak
4x counterspell
3x dismiss

3x divination
4x preordain

4x into the roil
4x psionic blast

2x everflowing chalice

3x sphinx of jwar isle
3x delver of secrets


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9 months ago  ::  Oct 08, 2012 - 3:04PM #26
Sleeping
Date Joined: Sep 23, 2011
Posts: 4,302
Amass the Components is terrible in your deck because it is sorcery speed. Careful Consideration would basically be strictly better in your deck, but I still wouldn't run it because if you cast it at instant speed it doesn't get you any card advantage. Fact or Fiction really is the way to go I think. Gush is a card you want to put in a deck that will usually cast it by returning to Island to its hand. If you cut the Sphinx for a different threat that might be the way to go. And the reason I suggested Force Spike is because it allows you to counter things turn one, you might want to get ahold of some just incase you find yourself playing decks that are too fast. Also if you bring back a couple Forbid you can pitch extras to that. 
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 08, 2012 - 3:38PM #27
badabababa
Date Joined: Aug 29, 2009
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Okay. Well let's try this again here. ( We will eventually get it perfect! ) I never did get your thoughts on the everflowing chalice . Maybe it can be removed to make room for gush and I'll drop down a psionic blast . Now the question is what blue beater fits best? I see how amazing the consecrated sphinx is while searching but it's out of the question for very obvious reasons. I mean, my blue beater knowledge is oldschool. Mahamoti djinn s and the 4/4 flyer that I can't recall the name of... I'm positive there is better stuff out there now. Heck, could even be artifact. There is the affinity one but I would like it to be a BEATER, and his offense is weak. Needs to be at least 4 D as well because I don't want him being able to be picked off by simple direct damage. That's what I really liked about the one we had in there. The shroud...

20x island
2x faerie conclave

4x rune snag
4x mana leak
4x counterspell
3x dismiss

3x fact or fiction
4x preordain
3x gush

4x into the roil
3x psionic blast


3x blue beater that fits?...
3x delver of secrets

EDIT: Currently searching the magiccard.info page... Maybe something like deep-sea kraken that can stay suspended while I control board w/ counter and bounce?.... EDIT 2: As I continue to look threw cards maybe a good cheap suspend beater is something that might work really well? Suspend it early and control board is what I'm thinking. Errant Ephemeron . Or maybe Guile ? I'm just throwing out ideas as I search here. Jetting Glasskite ?
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 08, 2012 - 6:14PM #28
Sleeping
Date Joined: Sep 23, 2011
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Errant Ephemeron is probably the best option out of those for your deck, though I think Spire Golem might be better. And you're right, there are better artifact creatures than Djinn now, like Wurmcoil Engine .


I think something like this might work well:


18 x Island
2 x Faerie Conclave
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4 x Delver of Secrets
4 x Spire Golem
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4 x Preordain
2 x Brainstorm
4 x Accumulated Knowledge
2 x Gush
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4 x Counterspell
4 x Mana Leak
1 x Deprive
1 x Miscalculation
1 x Prohibit
3 x Dismiss
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3 x Into the Roil
3 x Psionic Blast

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 09, 2012 - 12:45PM #29
JararoNatsu
Date Joined: Aug 2, 2012
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Dungeon Geists are great for control. As long as you control them, an opponent's creature is pretty much useless. See if you can incorporate some of those into your deck.
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 11, 2012 - 7:17PM #30
badabababa
Date Joined: Aug 29, 2009
Posts: 37
How bout this? (I don't like all the 1x, only having 3 toughness beaters, and the return land 2 converted counter if I'm already running Gush )

18 x Island
2 x Faerie Conclave
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4 x Delver of Secrets
4 x Errant Ephemeron
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4 x Preordain
2 x Brainstorm
4 x Accumulated Knowledge
2 x Gush
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4 x Counterspell
3 x Mana Leak
4 x Rune Snag
3 x Dismiss
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3 x Into the Roil
3 x Psionic Blast

@ JararoNatsu - Thx for the tip. I already saw them and weighed the pros and cons and decided there are simply better beaters I can have occupying a spot in the deck over them. But they do seem really effective.
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