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9 months ago  ::  Oct 04, 2012 - 5:30PM #1
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I had a arguement about this rule this week, and haven't been able to get a consistant ruling...

I have Trostani in play with Collective Blessing. I cast Call of the Conclave to put the 3/3 Centaur token in play.

Would I gain 3 life, because it enters as a 3/3, of would I gain 6 life since the Centaur becomes a 6/6 once the spell resolves?

I say 6, because Call of the Conclave has to resolve for Trostani's ability to trigger. Am I wrong? 
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 04, 2012 - 5:32PM #2
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[C]Trostani, Selesnya's Voice[/C] ⇒ Trostani, Selesnya's Voice
Collective Blessing
Call of the Conclave
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 04, 2012 - 5:33PM #3
Enigma256
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Collective Blessing
Trostani, Selesnya's Voice
Call of the Conclave

the centaur token is a 6/6 at any time it is on the battlefield
it doesn't enter as 3/3 and grow to 6/6, it enters as 6/6, so you get 6 life

and even if it would enter as 3/3 and grow to 6/6 as long as that growing is finished when Trostani's trigger resolves you get 6 life as well.
for example you could use Giant Growth to get an extra 3 life
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 04, 2012 - 5:34PM #4
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6. There is never a time where the centaur is anything but a 6/6. It's 6/6 when the triggered ability triggers (which is irrelevant), and it's 6/6 when the triggered ability eventually resolves (giving you 6 life).
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 05, 2012 - 8:12AM #5
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Oct 4, 2012 -- 5:33PM, Enigma256 wrote:

Collective Blessing
Trostani, Selesnya's Voice
Call of the Conclave
for example you could use Giant Growth to get an extra 3 life




If you cast the Centaur, wouldn't Trostani's ability resolve before you could cast the Giant Growth?


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9 months ago  ::  Oct 05, 2012 - 8:13AM #6
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Oct 5, 2012 -- 8:12AM, There_Dweller wrote:

If you cast the Centaur, wouldn't Trostani's ability resolve before you could cast the Giant Growth?


No, trostani's ability can be responded to. If you cast giant growth in response, Giant growth resolves first, and trostani's ability resolves after.

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 05, 2012 - 8:18AM #7
There_Dweller
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Okay so let's say I had Garruk's Packleader And I cast an Elite Vanguard could I cast Giant Growth then and be able to draw a card?

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 05, 2012 - 8:18AM #8
Enigma256
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Oct 5, 2012 -- 8:12AM, There_Dweller wrote:

Oct 4, 2012 -- 5:33PM, Enigma256 wrote:

Collective Blessing
Trostani, Selesnya's Voice
Call of the Conclave
for example you could use Giant Growth to get an extra 3 life




If you cast the Centaur, wouldn't Trostani's ability resolve before you could cast the Giant Growth?


it will trigger before you can cast Giant Growth
but you can respond to it like normal

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 05, 2012 - 8:19AM #9
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Oct 5, 2012 -- 8:18AM, There_Dweller wrote:

Okay so let's say I had Garruk's Packleader And I cast an Elite Vanguard could I cast Giant Growth then and be able to draw a card?


no, since Garruk's Packleader will not trigger unless the creature enters with power 3 or more

it had to be worded similar to this: "whenever a creature enters the battlefield draw a card if it has power 3 or more"
but it has to be worded carefully to not become an "intervening if clause"

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 05, 2012 - 8:20AM #10
There_Dweller
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oh I see the difference. Thank you!

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