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Flag MagicFreakJJ October 3, 2012 8:03 AM PDT
I personally think the next five should be the great cards from all five colors. Blue needs to have Jace, the Mindsculpter
Flag Enigma256 October 3, 2012 8:04 AM PDT
From the Vault: Vaults
Flag TetsuoUmezawa October 3, 2012 11:23 AM PDT
From the Vault: Counterspell s

with FoW or Mana Drain

or 

From the Vault: Enchanted

with Bitterblossom or Doubling Season
Flag Manite October 3, 2012 12:16 PM PDT
I've had ideas for this before. Some include:

FTV: Weatherlight - Members of the Weatherlight crew. Chances are damaged by Captain Sisay and Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir 's printings in FTV: Legends, but how cool would it be to see Gerrard Capashen , Hanna, Ship's Navigator , Squee, Goblin Nabob , Tahngarth, Talruum Hero , and others printed together?

FTV: Angels - Granted, a lot of these would probably end up being legendary angels, but that's part of what makes them so notable. Options include Iona, Shield of Emeria , Akroma, Angel of Wrath , Avacyn, Angel of Hope , Bruna, Light of Alabaster , Gisela, Blade of Goldnight , Sigarda, Host of Herons , Angel of Despair , Razia, Boros Archangel , Reya Dawnbringer , and Lightning Angel .

FTV: Goblins - So many of the little buggers to choose from! Some prime choices include Skirk Prospector , Warren Instigator , Siege-Gang Commander , Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician , Krenko, Mob Boss , Wort, Boggart Auntie , Goblin Chieftain , Goblin Warchief , Goblin Matron , Goblin Piledriver , Goblin Sharpshooter , Mad Auntie , and Boartusk Liege .
Flag MagicFreakJJ October 3, 2012 12:23 PM PDT
And it's not just blue just five different ones one each color.
Flag TetsuoUmezawa October 3, 2012 12:31 PM PDT

Oct 3, 2012 -- 12:16PM, Manite wrote:

I've had ideas for this before. Some include:

FTV: Weatherlight - Members of the Weatherlight crew. Chances are damaged by Captain Sisay and Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir 's printings in FTV: Legends, but how cool would it be to see Gerrard Capashen , Hanna, Ship's Navigator , Squee, Goblin Nabob , Tahngarth, Talruum Hero , and others printed together?

FTV: Angels - Granted, a lot of these would probably end up being legendary angels, but that's part of what makes them so notable. Options include Iona, Shield of Emeria , Akroma, Angel of Wrath , Avacyn, Angel of Hope , Bruna, Light of Alabaster , Gisela, Blade of Goldnight , Sigarda, Host of Herons , Angel of Despair , Razia, Boros Archangel , Reya Dawnbringer , and Lightning Angel .

FTV: Goblins - So many of the little buggers to choose from! Some prime choices include Skirk Prospector , Warren Instigator , Siege-Gang Commander , Ib Halfheart, Goblin Tactician , Krenko, Mob Boss , Wort, Boggart Auntie , Goblin Chieftain , Goblin Warchief , Goblin Matron , Goblin Piledriver , Goblin Sharpshooter , Mad Auntie , and Boartusk Liege .




I can definately see them eventually doing both Angels and Goblins. 

Flag Magicmeow October 3, 2012 12:41 PM PDT
I'm for FtV: Enchantments, too.

Humility , Oath of Druids , Intruder Alarm , Doubling Season , Leyline of the Void , Mind over Matter , Sneak Attack , Solitary Confinement , Propaganda , Bitterblossom , Land Tax , Sulfuric Vortex ...
Maybe with Enlightened Tutor as he's the best enchantment tutor ever. ( Academy Rector is reserved)
And something like Verduran Enchantress / Argothian Enchantress maybe... ?
Sadly Balance and Necropotence were in FtV:Exiled already and many important enchants are on the reserved list.
( Yawgmoth's Bargain , Moat and Fastbond for example)
Flag Saidin311 October 3, 2012 2:38 PM PDT

Oct 3, 2012 -- 12:16PM, Manite wrote:


FTV: Angels - Granted, a lot of these would probably end up being legendary angels, but that's part of what makes them so notable. Options include Iona, Shield of Emeria , Akroma, Angel of Wrath , Avacyn, Angel of Hope , Bruna, Light of Alabaster , Gisela, Blade of Goldnight , Sigarda, Host of Herons , Angel of Despair , Razia, Boros Archangel , Reya Dawnbringer , and Lightning Angel .




I'm pretty sure this is a given. I wouldn't be surprised if we see this next on the back of the success of Avacyn. Though I think that the angel choice here is way off. FTV always seem to be about cards with stories rooted in history. With that my choices and explanations:

Serra Angel - You have to include the original angel. Regardless of whether this card sucks, it would get alternate art and be put in because it's the first angel and the one that everyone remembers when they played revised.
Platinum Angel - It's use since it was released throughout magic is pretty self explanitory.
Lightning Angel - One of the best angels
Twlight Shepherd - Pretty EDH playable
Voice of All
Akroma - (tough call on which one it would be.)
Angel of Dispair - Invented Solar Flare
Restoration Angel - Will be format defining by the time the FTV comes out
Baneslayer Angel - WoTC can get away with printing this fan favorite here instead of in another core set.
Desolution Angel - Black Angel in the set for sure.
Gabriel Angelfire - Throwback classic.
Iona - Obvious
Maelstrom Archangel - Seems like this would be an auto include in an FTV angels set.
Reya Dawnbringer
Entreat the Angels - Seems awesome for a FTV Angel series and has competitive stories behind it (Block miracle deck winner)


That's 15, seems reasonable for a FTV series. The only problem is that there really is no money card in this. So it would go over like a lead balloon. See Dragons, or Legends.

I would buy it though for sure if the list looked like that.

Flag RxPhantom October 3, 2012 2:38 PM PDT

Oct 3, 2012 -- 12:41PM, Magicmeow wrote:

Sadly Balance and Necropotence were in FtV:Exiled already and many important enchants are on the reserved list.




Sadly, Balance is also...a sorcery!

Anyway, FtV: Enchantments does seem like the next logical move.  Previous posters have already listed a bunch of good ones, so there's no need for me to list.  There are so many good ones that aren't on the reserved list, too. 

I think they'll do a FtV: Planeswalkers after about three or four years when there is actually a decent pool to draw from.  I'd also like to see Vault sets from older blocks (i.e. From the Vault: Mirage Block), but the older sets would be hampered by the reserved list, much like my happiness.

Flag RPJesus October 3, 2012 2:51 PM PDT
From the vault: Johnnygasm
Not even sure what would go in here yet, but basically all those special cards that the Johnny crowd finds especially delicious.  
Off the top of my head:
Soul Sculptor
Bludgeon Brawl
Mycosynth Lattice
Nature's Revolt
Life and Limb
Doubling Season

From the vault: Awesomeness
Basically all the cards that just work so well. Like if power level was evaluated based on how you feel when you play a card, these would be broken.
Reconnaissance
Explorer's Scope
are definites, not sure about the rest.

From the Vault: Atogs would be pretty cool too. All 12 atogs (Alt art for Atogatog, probably the original one, and I dunno, Dr. Teeth I guess), Chronatog Totem , and the last two could be some combination of a preview card, a newly designed atog, or enablers like Mycosynth Lattice or Artificial Evolution / Unnatural Selection .
Flag RxPhantom October 3, 2012 2:53 PM PDT

Oct 3, 2012 -- 2:51PM, RPJesus wrote:


From the Vault: Atogs would be pretty cool too. All 12 atogs (Alt art for Atogatog, probably the original one, and I dunno, Dr. Teeth I guess), Chronatog Totem , and the last two could be some combination of a preview card, a newly designed atog, or enablers like Mycosynth Lattice or Artificial Evolution / Unnatural Selection .




WANT! 

Flag RPJesus October 3, 2012 3:23 PM PDT

Oct 3, 2012 -- 2:53PM, RxPhantom wrote:

Oct 3, 2012 -- 2:51PM, RPJesus wrote:


From the Vault: Atogs would be pretty cool too. All 12 atogs (Alt art for Atogatog, probably the original one, and I dunno, Dr. Teeth I guess), Chronatog Totem , and the last two could be some combination of a preview card, a newly designed atog, or enablers like Mycosynth Lattice or Artificial Evolution / Unnatural Selection .




WANT! 



 Inorite? Of all of my ideas, I think that's the one I'd most like to see (partially because I want to make an all-foil Atogatog deck for EDH and Necratog and Chronatog aren't going to see print again otherwise).

Flag Magicmeow October 3, 2012 3:46 PM PDT

Oct 3, 2012 -- 2:38PM, RxPhantom wrote:

Sadly, Balance is also...a sorcery!



Oh wow where was my mind while posting this! xD I can't help but laugh about myself.
Must've mixed up something here... I don't even know. As hilarious as I'm tired.

Flag Manite October 3, 2012 3:58 PM PDT
Flag RPJesus October 3, 2012 4:41 PM PDT

Oct 3, 2012 -- 3:58PM, Manite wrote:

  Szadek, Lord of Secrets



Savra was such a better villain though (At least in Ravnica, dunno if Szadek made some kind of glorious return in Guildpact or Dissension :/)

Flag Magicmeow October 4, 2012 3:41 AM PDT
Maybe Grand Arbiter Augustin IV instead? He was the true "mastermind" if I recall right.
Savra was just a pawn of Szadek after all, killed by him and used as vessel for Svogthir (and shortly Kos).
But Szadek was also just a tool for Augustin to get rid of Razia and the other angels, and he used Momir Vig to stop Rakdos and set the stage for Kos to kill Momir Vig (and Szadek too, but that didn't happen and was his undoing).
It's a little bit complicated as everyone plotted his own little scheme.

Szadek was the only villain to survive (kinda) though.
Well technically Svoghtir did too, as he's more or less indestructible. But he never wins anything anyway.
Flag Manite October 4, 2012 10:07 AM PDT
Szadek ultimately masterminded the fall of the Guildpact while Savra and Augustin were both seeking to control Ravnica. Momir Vig was just being a mad scientist. I chose Szadek because between him , Savra , Augustin , and Momir Vig he looks and acts most like the main villain.

There is still room in my list for about four villains, though. I'm trying to cover as many sets, blocks, and sagas as possible instead of representing one plane too much (although Geth and Glissa are both hard to pass over, and Nath seemed to be the main villain in Lorwyn while Oona was emphasized as the bad guy in Shadowmoor). I also considered including Baron Sengir and Ambassador Laquatus , though in the case of the latter I can't help but wonder if there is a more appropriate villain to represent the Odyssey block (Memnarch could represent the Mirari saga as a whole since he was the Mirari).

It's also been tough to choose the villains representing Phyrexia during the Weatherlight saga; at least four options are available: Tsabo Tavoc , Volrath the Fallen , Ascendant Evincar , and Ertai, the Corrupted . I chose the two that offered the greatest color variety among the bad guys. Although, the only monoblack villain I've included so far is Geth, funnily enough.

And of course it'd be nice to see FTV: Heroes to accompany Villains.

FTV: Heroes - The good guys of MTG, including Gerrard Capashen , Kamahl, Fist of Krosa , Glissa Sunseeker , Toshiro Umezawa , Agrus Kos, Wojek Veteran , Teysa, Orzhov Scion , Maralen of the Mornsong , Rhys the Redeemed , and Thalia, Guardian of Thraben .
Flag RxPhantom October 4, 2012 11:33 AM PDT
I'm almost positive that Baron Sengir would have been in FtV: Legends if not for the reserve list.  I still think enchantments is the most likely next one.

However, the best one would be From the Vault: Reserved List.  I'm still awaiting that one glorious day when they realize what a colossal mistake the reserve list is.....*sigh*
Flag bay_falconer October 4, 2012 2:30 PM PDT

Oct 3, 2012 -- 3:58PM, Manite wrote:

Got another one:

FTV: Villains - Some of the the big bad guys of MTG, including Mishra, Artificer Prodigy , Tsabo Tavoc , Ertai, the Corrupted , Memnarch , Konda, Lord of Eiganjo , Szadek, Lord of Secrets , Nath of the Gilt-Leaf , Oona, Queen of the Fae , Malfegor , Geth, Lord of the Vault , and Glissa, the Traitor .




I'd say Augustin, since he was the Big Bad of Ravnica. I'd also put in Kozilek and Karona.

FTV: Heroes

Squee (if he's not in FTV: Johnnygasm), Toshiro Umezawa (can't do Tetsuo), Cho-Manno, Kamahl, Koth, Maralen, Crovax, Ascendant Hero , Braids, Conjurer Adept , Agrus Kos, Thalia?

Flag RPJesus October 4, 2012 5:06 PM PDT

Oct 4, 2012 -- 3:41AM, Magicmeow wrote:

Maybe Grand Arbiter Augustin IV instead? He was the true "mastermind" if I recall right.
Savra was just a pawn of Szadek after all, killed by him and used as vessel for Svogthir (and shortly Kos).



Damn, that's kind of a step down from the first novel. As I recall she beat Svogthir after he tried some tricksy thing, then gave me one of my favorite villain moments near the end of Ravnica when Fonne was like "I'm not giving you the plot trinket" and instead of going through the usual villainous rigamarole, Savra's like "That's cute" and tears Fonne's hand off. Always nice to see villains who are on top of their **** like that.


Oct 4, 2012 -- 3:58PM, Zokorad wrote:

FTV: Ladies



How does this not include Gwendlyn Di Corci ?

Flag Manite October 4, 2012 7:30 PM PDT
Hmm, reading up on the Arbiter, he did play a large role in the story as an antagonist, with the same basic goal as Szadek: Taking control of Ravnica. And shoot, I have two villains for Phyrexia, Lorwyn-Shadowmoor, and Scars (three for Mirrodin total counting Memnarch). Choosing any one of the Eldrazi Titans would be difficult since together they're arguably the three main villains of Zendikar (not to mention one has already been printed in FTV), while Karona, False God just wouldn't add as much value to the FTV as Phage the Untouchable or Ambassador Laquatus .

There's also the five Praetors of New Phyrexia, although one of them wouldn't qualify as much as the others.
Flag RxPhantom October 4, 2012 8:19 PM PDT
FtV: Angels would be an easy guess.  People love angels, after all.
Flag Grumman October 4, 2012 8:59 PM PDT
Would a From The Vault: Planeswalkers be out of the question? By my reckoning there are 15 Planeswalkers that have cards that have dropped out of Standard come this weekend. That's 15 characters for 15 cards.
Flag Manite October 4, 2012 9:43 PM PDT
I think it's still a bit too soon, but if they did make one I'd want the first versions of the original five to be printed: Ajani Goldmane , Jace Beleren , Liliana Vess , Chandra Nalaar , and Garruk Wildspeaker . Elspeth, Knight-Errant , Tezzeret the Seeker , and Sarkhan Vol would also be good. Gideon Jura would also likely appear since he's getting a new version in Gatecrash, meaning the original will become harder to find, and Sorin Markov and Nissa Revane are likely candidates as well.

Of course, they could also try five mono and ten dual-color 'Walkers for variety's sake. My picks in that case would be Elspeth, Knight-Errant , Jace Beleren , Liliana Vess , Koth of the Hammer , Garruk Wildspeaker , Venser, the Sojourner , Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas , B/R 'Walker, R/G 'Walker (Sarkhan can work as either the former or the latter , but it'd be weird if they included him twice, so I'd want someone different for the other), G/W 'Walker, Sorin, Lord of Innistrad , U/R 'Walker, Vraska the Unseen , either Ajani Vengeant or Boros Gideon if he's R/W, and G/U 'Walker.
Flag bay_falconer October 5, 2012 12:09 PM PDT
FTV: Songs
Flag RPJesus October 5, 2012 3:31 PM PDT

Oct 5, 2012 -- 12:09PM, bay_falconer wrote:

FTV: Songs



They're not gonna release an FTV: Songs 'cause we asked for it :33.

Flag Manite October 5, 2012 4:37 PM PDT
Unless they have K.K. Slider songs, which would be weird since that involves two different companies (dumb joke, I know, but this was as good a time as any).

FYV: Walls - Some of the best defenders in MTG (SEE WUT I DID THAR?), including Overgrown Battlement , Steel Wall , Sunscape Familiar , Wall of Blossoms , Wall of Denial , Wall of Essence , Wall of Frost , Wall of Glare , Wall of Omens , Wall of Reverence , Wall of Tanglecord , and Wall of Tears .

Of course, they could also do a general FTV: Defenders, which would open the doors to cards like Vent Sentinel and Rage Nimbus .
Flag Magicmeow October 5, 2012 4:43 PM PDT
No Wall of Nets ? *sadface* D:
Flag Manite October 5, 2012 5:03 PM PDT
There's room for three more, so why not?
Flag The_415_Raises_Gs October 6, 2012 12:53 PM PDT

Oct 3, 2012 -- 2:35PM, Zokorad wrote:

FTV: Enchanted

Bitterblossom
Doubling Season
Aura Gnarlid
Mesa Enchantress
Auramancer's Guise
Uril, the Miststalker
Quicksilver Dagger
Righteous Authority
Oblivion Ring
Fires of Yavimama
Hyena Umbra
Boar Umbra
Indrik Umbra
Glorious Anthem
Preview Card


Oh Zoko... what are we going to do with you?  First, when they do FTV:Enchanted (because they surely will), they will likely make all the cards enchantments.  I doubt they will include creatures, even if the have a heavy enchantment theme to them.  Secondly, it will never contain cards like  Aura Gnarlid Quicksilver Dagger , Hyena Umbra Boar Umbra Indrik Umbra or  Glorious Anthem  (or even  Oblivion Ring ).  These cards are too common and easy to acquire to warrant inclusion in a product like FTV.

Flag warghoul October 6, 2012 5:35 PM PDT
If they print a few more maybe we can get FTV: Lhurgoyfs.
Flag Living_Wings October 6, 2012 6:03 PM PDT

Oct 6, 2012 -- 5:35PM, warghoul wrote:

If they print a few more maybe we can get FTV: Lhurgoyfs.



FTV: Ach! Hans, Run!

Flag Singe October 6, 2012 10:44 PM PDT
One Vault filled with the best Sorcery/Instants in the game.
Flag OrzhovianHyena October 7, 2012 10:24 AM PDT
I'd like either FTV: Guild Leaders or FTV: Thrulls.
Flag bay_falconer October 7, 2012 1:08 PM PDT
FTV: u mad bro?

Armageddon ah-ah, no lands bro
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite no creatures either bro
Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur sorry bout your hand bro
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth sac 4 bro
Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero gotta shuffle again bro
Meddling Mage can't play combo bro
Flag RPJesus October 7, 2012 7:03 PM PDT

Oct 6, 2012 -- 12:53PM, The_415_Raises_Gs wrote:

Secondly, it will never contain cards like  Aura Gnarlid Quicksilver Dagger , Hyena Umbra Boar Umbra Indrik Umbra or  Glorious Anthem  (or even  Oblivion Ring ).  These cards are too common and easy to acquire to warrant inclusion in a product like FTV.



I dunno, Exiled had Kird Ape and Serendib Efreet . Which, don't get me wrong are solid cards, but were kind of the leonin abunas to the rest of the list's disciple of the vault. Labored metaphors aside, I could see quicksilver dagger, O ring, and/or glorious anthem being included for being relatively iconic (Probably not all three but maybe one or two).

Oct 7, 2012 -- 1:08PM, bay_falconer wrote:

FTV: u mad bro?

Armageddon ah-ah, no lands bro
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite no creatures either bro
Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur sorry bout your hand bro
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth sac 4 bro
Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero gotta shuffle again bro
Meddling Mage can't play combo bro



I think Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger is the griefiest of the praetors. Not only is he resource-denial, he's resource denial in the most bookkeepingest way possible. The only way he could be more annoying would be if he said "Whenever an opponent taps a land for mana, that player shiffles his or her library," though then I think most casual groups would only bother actually shuffling when it mattered so he'd only really grief formats that enforce missed triggers.

Flag GunG12aVe October 7, 2012 7:51 PM PDT
Made the suggestion in another thread but i wish they would do something new for their 20th anniversary and make their FTV not reprint cards, but make new cards. Maybe they could make new cards for important people/locations/events/random from their history they didnt do first time around (or in time spiral), like an urza walker, yawgmoth creature, etc. Of course they would be eternal legal only...

Otherwise maybe a FTV: Villains, having things that exemplify the various threats throughout magic history.  Emrakul, Nicol Bolas, yawgmoths will/bargain, etc.
Flag Doaj October 7, 2012 7:58 PM PDT

Oct 6, 2012 -- 12:53PM, The_415_Raises_Gs wrote:

Oct 3, 2012 -- 2:35PM, Zokorad wrote:

FTV: Enchanted

Bitterblossom
Doubling Season
Aura Gnarlid
Mesa Enchantress
Auramancer's Guise
Uril, the Miststalker
Quicksilver Dagger
Righteous Authority
Oblivion Ring
Fires of Yavimama
Hyena Umbra
Boar Umbra
Indrik Umbra
Glorious Anthem
Preview Card


Oh Zoko... what are we going to do with you?  First, when they do FTV:Enchanted (because they surely will), they will likely make all the cards enchantments.  I doubt they will include creatures, even if the have a heavy enchantment theme to them.  Secondly, it will never contain cards like  Aura Gnarlid Quicksilver Dagger , Hyena Umbra Boar Umbra Indrik Umbra or  Glorious Anthem  (or even  Oblivion Ring ).  These cards are too common and easy to acquire to warrant inclusion in a product like FTV.




I have to agree that we won't see a lot of these.  Firstly, there's a distinct lack of Armadillo Cloak.  That card is far too popular not to be included.   Indrik Umbra is most likely of the umbras, I suspect, to see inclusion since it has a limited print run.  And something dinstictive it's lacking are mid-range priced cards.  I think Standstill is definitely a possibility, though.  Maybe Phyrexian Arena.  Bad Moon, maybe? The only really solid inclusions in that list are: Bitterblossom and Doubling Season for price, playability, and notoriety; Oblivion Ring for notoriety, I think, but maybe they'd go with Journey to Nowhere since it's seen less print, and they're too similar to include both of.  We could even see Oubliette since it has never had a reprint, and inspired Oblivion Ring.  So, all that considered, here's what I have in mind:

Bitterblossom
Doubling Season
Uril, the Miststalker
Oblivion Ring / Journey to Nowhere / Oubliette
Fires of Yavimaya
Indrik Umbra
Armadillo Cloak
Standstill
Phyrexian Arena
Bad Moon
Land Tax
Mirari's Wake  
Control Magic
Verduran Enchantress

Flag bay_falconer October 8, 2012 2:56 PM PDT

Oct 7, 2012 -- 7:03PM, RPJesus wrote:

I think Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger is the griefiest of the praetors. Not only is he resource-denial, he's resource denial in the most bookkeepingest way possible. The only way he could be more annoying would be if he said "Whenever an opponent taps a land for mana, that player shiffles his or her library," though then I think most casual groups would only bother actually shuffling when it mattered so he'd only really grief formats that enforce missed triggers.




True, plus I need good green ones. Most of these are white, blue, or black.

I realized the griefiest card is Divine Intervention , but I need that for...

FTV: Fail

Break Open
Carnival of Souls
Divine Intervention
Ertai's Trickery
Evermind
Great Wall
Hint of Insanity
Leviathan
Lumbering Satyr
Meteor Crater
Mudhole
One with Nothing
Sorrow's Path
Warping Wurm
Wood Elemental

Flag perodequeso October 9, 2012 2:35 PM PDT

Oct 8, 2012 -- 2:56PM, bay_falconer wrote:

I realized the griefiest card is Divine Intervention



Shahrazad anyone?


From the Vault: Coin Flip, does that not blow your mind!

Flag bay_falconer October 10, 2012 9:04 AM PDT
Flag RPJesus October 10, 2012 1:11 PM PDT

Oct 10, 2012 -- 9:04AM, bay_falconer wrote:

Again, I'll try FTV: u mad bro?

Yet somehow black is the color of sadism.



I would drop Keening Stone, Opalescence and Manabarbs for Plow Under , Helldozer and Call to the Grave / The Abyss / Grave Pact .

Flag Manite October 12, 2012 12:33 PM PDT
Flag RPJesus October 12, 2012 4:31 PM PDT

Oct 12, 2012 -- 12:33PM, Manite wrote:


From The Vault: Commanders



Wasn't that the basis behind like half the cards in Legends?

Flag Taramoor October 12, 2012 5:44 PM PDT
Flag Fenix. October 13, 2012 3:44 AM PDT
Flag Manite October 13, 2012 11:16 AM PDT

Oct 12, 2012 -- 4:31PM, RPJesus wrote:

Oct 12, 2012 -- 12:33PM, Manite wrote:


From The Vault: Commanders



Wasn't that the basis behind like half the cards in Legends?




Cao Cao, Lord of Wei
Captain Sisay
Doran, the Siege Tower
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
Kresh the Bloodbraided
Mikaeus, the Lunarch
Omnath, Locus of Mana
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Progenitus
Rafiq of the Many
Sharuum the Hegemon
Sun Quan, Lord of Wu
Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
Visara the Dreadful

I guess about half of them would work well as commanders. But my list was as much the literal Commander cards as simply commanders as a theme. I doubt they'd cross-promote supplementary products like that, but I think it's cool how Commander has exactly fifteen unique legendary creatures, almost as if they intend to make a FTV: Commanders eventually.

Flag bay_falconer October 13, 2012 12:27 PM PDT

Oct 10, 2012 -- 1:11PM, RPJesus wrote:

Oct 10, 2012 -- 9:04AM, bay_falconer wrote:

Again, I'll try FTV: u mad bro?

Yet somehow black is the color of sadism.



I would drop Keening Stone, Opalescence and Manabarbs for Plow Under , Helldozer and Call to the Grave / The Abyss / Grave Pact .




I knew I needed 1) a creature with infect (and since the Drake has proliferate, it was perfect), 2) a mill card , and 3) a rules cluster****. Manabarbs just leads to a lot of "feel bad" moments.

I could use Geth, Lord of the Vault as my mill card, since it also covers stealing.

Flag RPJesus October 13, 2012 7:10 PM PDT

Oct 13, 2012 -- 12:27PM, bay_falconer wrote:


I knew I needed 1) a creature with infect (and since the Drake has proliferate, it was perfect), 2) a mill card , and 3) a rules cluster****. Manabarbs just leads to a lot of "feel bad" moments.



Indeed, I was gonna recommend cutting the proliferdrake, but the infect/prolife combo is pretty amusing. Alternatively you could cut Winter Orb, it's function is the same as stasis griefwise and Plow Under needs to be in this set. It's like "Oh hay, what if I 'destroyed' two of your lands and you skipped your next two draws?" (Yeah they're not really destroyed, but still resource denial at its finest).

Flag Taramoor October 13, 2012 10:01 PM PDT
Ooh, even better:

From the Vault: Banding

Baton of Morale
Battering Ram
Benalish Hero
Cooperation
Dire Wolves
Kjeldoran Knight
Kjeldoran Skycaptain
Mesa Pegasus
Wall of Shields
War Elephant

I have a Banding deck on MTGO that I use.  Sometimes I think it's the only real anti-Trample mechanic that ever existed.  Love Banding when the game can keep track of all the minute details for you.
Flag bay_falconer October 14, 2012 12:54 PM PDT

Oct 13, 2012 -- 10:01PM, Taramoor wrote:

Ooh, even better:

From the Vault: Banding

Baton of Morale
Battering Ram
Benalish Hero
Cooperation
Dire Wolves
Kjeldoran Knight
Kjeldoran Skycaptain
Mesa Pegasus
Wall of Shields
War Elephant

I have a Banding deck on MTGO that I use.  Sometimes I think it's the only real anti-Trample mechanic that ever existed.  Love Banding when the game can keep track of all the minute details for you.




Needs moar Nalathni Dragon .

@RPJ: Fixed.

Flag malpheas October 16, 2012 7:07 AM PDT
+8172634589172 for FTV: Banding.  Selfishly, it would give me a whole lot of foil banders that I can use in my Ayesha Tanaka EDH deck (banding, sheesh).
Flag bay_falconer October 16, 2012 2:46 PM PDT
Flag ChrissChrossed92 October 16, 2012 3:20 PM PDT
FTV: Tutors/Wishes

vampiric tutor
worldly tutor
idyllic tutor
gamble
personal tutor (mystical has been redone already)
death wish
living wish
golden wish
burning wish
cunning wish
Some new tutor?

I guess I'll just keep dreaming... 

Flag Banderbear October 16, 2012 3:35 PM PDT

Oct 16, 2012 -- 2:46PM, bay_falconer wrote:

Oct 16, 2012 -- 1:04PM, Manite wrote:

FTV: Phyrexia

Ascendant Evincar
Commander Greven il-Vec
Ertai, the Corrupted
Phyrexian Arena
Phyrexian Colossus
Phyrexian Ghoul
Phyrexian Plaguelord
Phyrexian Processor
Phyrexian Rager
Phyrexian Reclamation
Phyrexian Totem
Reprocess
Tsabo Tavoc
Vhati il-Dal
Volrath the Fallen




I'd say include

Lat-Nam's Legacy (gave us the symbol)
Yawgmoth's Bargain (very broken, only Yawgmoth's Will is more so, and it made Necro a Phyrexian mechanic)
Carnival of Souls (token joke card)
Mycosynth Lattice (but it survives...)
Sleeper Agent (the Donate mechanic before it was a mechanic)
Glissa, the Traitor (old heroes, now fallen)




Unfortunately Commander Greven-il-vec , Yawgmoth's Bargain , Yawgmoth's Will and Carnival of Souls are all on the Reserved List. Boo.

More generally I'm not sure they'd do a FTV: Phyrexia given most of the iconic cards were reprinted in the duel deck.

I'd like a FTV: Weatherlight - 
Skyship Weatherlight
Captain Sisay
Hanna, Ship's Navigator
Gerrard Capashen
Blind Seer
Tahngarth, Talruum Hero
Orim, Samite Healer
Ertai, the Corrupted
Mirri, Cat Warrior
Squee, Goblin Nabob
Starke of Rath

Not sure how I'd fill the remaining 4 slots that aren't on the Reserved List and haven't already been in a FTV. Maybe Legacy Weapon ? Disruptive Student is Teferi if I remember correctly and hasn't had a reprint in ages. There's always Jhoira and the Plane-Shifted Crovax I suppose which rounds out the 15.

EDIT: I actually forgot that Sisay had been reprinted in FTV: Legends. Curses. 

Flag Manite October 16, 2012 5:48 PM PDT
I suggested a FTV: Weatherlight on the first page. They could just print Sisay and Teferi in FTV a second time, though doing so would reduce the value of the first FTV printings. For the sake of completion they'd also have to reprint Karn, Silver Golem . Shouldn't Ertai, Wizard Adept be the version listed?
Flag Banderbear October 17, 2012 9:49 AM PDT

Oct 16, 2012 -- 5:48PM, Manite wrote:

I suggested a FTV: Weatherlight on the first page. They could just print Sisay and Teferi in FTV a second time, though doing so would reduce the value of the first FTV printings. For the sake of completion they'd also have to reprint Karn, Silver Golem . Shouldn't Ertai, Wizard Adept be the version listed?




Yes you did, I'd forgotten. Great minds think alike and all that eh?

Ertai, Wizard Adept and Karn, Silver Golem are both on the Reserved List annoyingly, hence me using the corrupted version of Ertai and not listing Karn. Though I suppose they could put Karn Liberated in there but that just doesn't feel right. :/

Flag Manite October 17, 2012 1:41 PM PDT
That didn't stop Wizards from reprinting Karn in FTV: Relics.
Flag RPJesus October 17, 2012 2:49 PM PDT

Oct 17, 2012 -- 1:41PM, Manite wrote:

That didn't stop Wizards from reprinting Karn in FTV: Relics.



That was when special products were exempt from the reserved list rule. I believe they have since changed that.

Flag Enigma256 October 17, 2012 5:07 PM PDT
because people complained about Karn being reprinted, for reasons that are beyond my understanding
Flag ChrissChrossed92 October 17, 2012 5:26 PM PDT

Oct 17, 2012 -- 5:07PM, Enigma256 wrote:

because people complained about Karn being reprinted, for reasons that are beyond my understanding



The same reason people complained about Demonic Tutor being reprinted in the Divine vs. Demonic Duel Decks I think.  Collectors get pissed if the values of their cards go down.  That may not be the same for Karn , but there's always people to each side of the argument I guess...Undecided

Flag Doaj October 30, 2012 3:23 AM PDT

Oct 29, 2012 -- 11:20PM, Manite wrote:

FTV: Burn

Banefire
Blightning
Chain Lightning
Disintegrate
Electrolyze
Fireblast
Flamebreak
Flame Javelin
Grapeshot
Kaervek's Torch
Lightning Bolt
Lightning Helix
Savage Twister
Shivan Meteor
Starstorm




I really like the idea of a FtV Burn, but is that even worth MSRP? On that note, it should be worth close to double MSRP, minimum.  What else could go in that would really sell the set?  Also, needs cards like Psionic Blast and Sunlance to help balance the color pie. lol.  Ironically, I think even in a theme set like this, some balance would be nice.  And is Kaervek's Torch reprintable?  Actually asking.

EDIT: Playing off your list a little, if you don't mind:

Lightning Bolt
Chain Lightning
Starstorm
Blightning
Electrolyze
Savage Twister
Grapeshot
Psionic Blast
Sunlance
Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
Grim Lavamancer
Flame Rift
Fireblast
Red Elemental Blast 
Tribal Flames 

Flag bay_falconer October 30, 2012 2:04 PM PDT
FTV: Whee, color pie!, printed in Planar Chaos frames

Armistice : White card draw.
Gate to Phyrexia : Black artifact destruction.
Harmonize : Green card draw with no creatures attached
Hurricane : Due to this card, Simoon was two-color. It also provides green with a non-creature-related way to do damage to players. Also, this makes mono-green Vindicate a possibility.
Illusions of Grandeur : Blue lifegain and "opponent loses 20 life".
Jodah's Avenger : Blue double strike. Odd even by Planar Chaos standards.
Kuldotha Phoenix : Red recurring creatures.
Land Tax : White ramp.
Mercy Killing : This could be green and white with no problem. It's actually green or white.
Mycosynth Lattice : Vindicate!
Nalathni Dragon : Red banding. lolbanding
Prodigal Sorcerer : Like Hurricane, this kept an effect that should be red out of red for a long time.
Psionic Blast : More blue burn, now with the added effect of self-damaging (a very black/red ability, sometimes white, never blue).
Red Elemental Blast : Red destroying enchantments and countering things.
Seraph : White stealing!
Flag Manite October 30, 2012 5:59 PM PDT
Flag Doaj October 30, 2012 6:29 PM PDT
Counterspells has to have Dash Hopes. Is one of mah favorites.
Flag RPJesus October 30, 2012 6:39 PM PDT

Oct 30, 2012 -- 2:04PM, bay_falconer wrote:

FTV: Whee, color pie!

Armistice
Ezuri's Brigade
Harmonize
Jodah's Avenger
Kuldotha Phoenix
Land Tax
Mycosynth Lattice
Nalathni Dragon
Red Elemental Blast
Seraph

I just need five more.



How does Brigade fit? Green is like the king of fat boring beats. Hornet Sting would be much better. Also Psionic Blast .

Flag Grumman October 30, 2012 7:01 PM PDT

Oct 30, 2012 -- 6:29PM, Doaj wrote:

Counterspells has to have Dash Hopes. Is one of mah favorites.



And Draining Whelk .

Flag Doaj October 30, 2012 7:03 PM PDT
Holy hell. Draining Whelk is awesome. I haven't seen it before, but I need one for my monoblue EDH.
Flag bay_falconer October 31, 2012 9:50 AM PDT

Oct 30, 2012 -- 6:39PM, RPJesus wrote:

Oct 30, 2012 -- 2:04PM, bay_falconer wrote:

FTV: Whee, color pie!

Armistice
Ezuri's Brigade
Harmonize
Jodah's Avenger
Kuldotha Phoenix
Land Tax
Mycosynth Lattice
Nalathni Dragon
Red Elemental Blast
Seraph

I just need five more.



How does Brigade fit? Green is like the king of fat boring beats. Hornet Sting would be much better. Also Psionic Blast .




Green kinda hates artifacts a lot.

Flag RPJesus October 31, 2012 12:44 PM PDT

Oct 31, 2012 -- 9:50AM, bay_falconer wrote:


Green kinda hates artifacts a lot.



Green hates the unnatural. Which artifacts usually are. But on Mirrodin artifacts are a part of nature (Hell, nature as they know it is essentially one giant artifact). Although really despite all the hate cards, green isn't nearly as opposed to technology as it would like us all to think.

Flag Renasce October 31, 2012 12:59 PM PDT
Flag Manite October 31, 2012 1:38 PM PDT
Flag RPJesus October 31, 2012 3:42 PM PDT

Oct 31, 2012 -- 12:59PM, Renasce wrote:

FTV: Brushwaggs.
I think it would be extremely popular.



And yet further evidence why the reserved list is dumb and needs to die in a fire. Also one of those should tots be Rancor :33.

Flag MrIndigo October 31, 2012 10:49 PM PDT
From the Vault: Planeswalkers

Chandra the Firebrand
Ajani Vengeant
Jace the Mind Sculptor
Garruk Wildspeaker
Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker
Elspeth, Knight Errant
Tezzeret the Seeker
Sarkhan the Mad
Tibalt, Fiend-Blooded
Sorin Markov
Liliana Vess
Venser, the Sojourner
Karn Liberated
Tamiyo the Moon Sage
Koth of the New Version
Flag MrIndigo October 31, 2012 10:51 PM PDT
I don't know the name, but I could see a FTV: Instants and Sorceries, the three most iconic from each colour.
Flag Doaj October 31, 2012 11:43 PM PDT
I would love it if a FtV: Planeswalkers had cards of Planeswalkers who never got actual PW cards. Blind Seer, Jaya Ballard, Slobad, etc.
Flag Renasce November 1, 2012 2:04 AM PDT

Oct 31, 2012 -- 3:42PM, RPJesus wrote:

Oct 31, 2012 -- 12:59PM, Renasce wrote:

FTV: Brushwaggs.
I think it would be extremely popular.



And yet further evidence why the reserved list is dumb and needs to die in a fire. Also one of those should tots be Rancor :33.




I did actually hide an Easter Egg in there.

Just print FTV: Brushwaggs and have it contain nothing but Changelings and Mutavault , with the history of Brushwaggs as the insert.

Flag will_dice November 1, 2012 5:40 AM PDT

Oct 31, 2012 -- 11:43PM, Doaj wrote:

I would love it if a FtV: Planeswalkers had cards of Planeswalkers who never got actual PW cards. Blind Seer, Jaya Ballard, Slobad, etc.



I don't think they will ever print exclusive cards in a From the Vault. Previews are fine, cards that you won't see anywhere else aren't.

Flag bay_falconer November 1, 2012 10:42 AM PDT

Oct 31, 2012 -- 12:44PM, RPJesus wrote:

Oct 31, 2012 -- 9:50AM, bay_falconer wrote:


Green kinda hates artifacts a lot.



Green hates the unnatural. Which artifacts usually are. But on Mirrodin artifacts are a part of nature (Hell, nature as they know it is essentially one giant artifact). Although really despite all the hate cards, green isn't nearly as opposed to technology as it would like us all to think.




True. But green strikes me as, well, green shouldn't hate creatures or like artifacts. Green should get stuff like Winter Orb as its slice of the "I like artifacts pie". (Winter Orb is really good with mana dorks.)

The other FTV I'd have is FTV: Memes

Chaos Orb (I don't think this would work with foil. They're harder to rip up.)
Chimney Imp (broken)
Counterspell (I have two untapped islands. Try it.)
Doubling Season (which you seem to have synergy with)
Ekundu Cyclops (what is this i dont even)
Floral Spuzzem (the first sentient Magic card)
Humility
One with Nothing
Opalescence (have to have both)
Rootwater Thief (synonymous with cheating)
Shahrazad
Shadowmage Infiltrator (can win a tournament with a ham sandwich)
Sorrow's Path (worst card in Magic)
Storm Crow (storm was named after him because WotC knew it would be jsut as broken)
Talruum Champion (with firster strike!)

Flag RPJesus November 1, 2012 11:43 AM PDT

Nov 1, 2012 -- 10:42AM, bay_falconer wrote:


Sorrow's Path (worst card in Magic)



Actually Great Wall holds that distinction, especially now that Vigor exists,  but to sum it up, Path is bad, but has combo potential and still does something (And Null Rod does nothing, but does it with style ), whereas Great Wall is not only a hoser card, but hoses an ability that has shown up on like 6 cards, none of which are especially good, so unless you have a friend who made some stupid Aysen Highway deck, it's almost strictly worse than a blank card (Because a blank text box/ full art would be more aesthetically pleasing).

Flag RxPhantom November 3, 2012 9:37 AM PDT
Flag turnip_song November 3, 2012 1:15 PM PDT
I think it's at least semi-likely that next year's FTV will be a 21 card set with one card from each year of the game's life. If I had to make up a list on the spot:

1993: Mana Vault
1994: Hymn to Tourach
1995: Brainstorm
1996: Hammer of Bogardan
1997: Wasteland
1998: Oath of Druids
1999: Yellow Scarves General
2000: Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero
2001: Gerrard Capashen
2002: Burning Wish
2003: Sword of Kaldra
2004: Darksteel Ingot
2005: Agrus Kos, Wojek Veteran
2006: Grand Arbiter Augustin IV
2007: Akroma, Angel of Fury
2008: Cruel Ultimatum
2009: Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
2010: Baneslayer Angel
2011: Blightsteel Colossus
2012: Avacyn, Angel of Hope
2013: Preview Card
Flag RPJesus November 3, 2012 5:43 PM PDT

Nov 3, 2012 -- 9:37AM, RxPhantom wrote:

Nov 1, 2012 -- 12:17PM, AzureShade wrote:

FTV:  Foglio



I like the Foglios, but my heart is forever with Richard Kane Ferguson.



What no love for Brom ? He has a Button Men set dedicated to him (Which granted is like ten buttons, but still).

Flag Jaz. November 4, 2012 2:13 PM PST
I feel that FtV: Enchanted is likely to see print. We really only have seen Necropotence in a previous FtV as far as enchantments go (okay, okay... and Dragonform ). But there have also been legendary creatures, and artifacts printed prior to the likes of FtV: Relics (we saw Sensei's Divining Top and Skullclamp in Exiled) and the FtV: Dragons had Bolas, printed prior to FtV: Legends.

My list for FtV: Enchanted is this:

Aluren
Back to Basics
Bad Moon
Bitterblossom
Bridge from Below
Doubling Season
Fires of Yavimaya
Sneak Attack
Splinter Twin
Stormbind
Story Circle
Treachery
Worship
Yavimaya's Embrace
Preview Card of Next Set

But there have just been so many game defining enchantments over the years, to vet 14-15 is so difficult to do!
Flag bay_falconer November 5, 2012 10:24 AM PST
Replace Bad Moon with Muraganda Petroglyphs , just because it's more unusual. (The Moon's part of a cycle. An odd cycle, because green, known for +X/+X effects, gets the last, and worst, one.) Or maybe Animate Dead , for breaking reanimator.
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