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8 months ago ::
Oct 03, 2012 - 2:03AM
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My opponent has an Asceticism  < /span>  , 2 questions, lethal vapors  is in play, can he regenerate the creatures when they are destroyed? and grave peril  , it doesn't say "target" so will it still get his creature as they enter the field?/can he regenerate them as well?
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8 months ago ::
Oct 03, 2012 - 2:16AM
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Well this may not be entirely accurate but I don't believe Asceticism is a hard counter to Lethal Vapors  because the vapors don't target anything. This means Asceticism makes no difference as far as the initial destruction of creatures goes. However, I do believe you would still be able to regenerate the creatures by putting the regeneration ability on the stack above the destruction.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 03, 2012 - 2:20AM
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Sleeky is correct. Lethal Vapors does not target with its triggered ability (as evidenced by the lack of the word "target"), so Asceticism doesn't stop it from trying to destroy creatures. Also, as stated, you can still activate a creature's regeneration ability in response to the Vapors' triggered ability, and will be able to successfully regenerate those creature(s).
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8 months ago ::
Oct 03, 2012 - 2:22AM
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okay, thats what i thought. and from how most of the questions on here are asnwered, i was under the assumption that if the card doesn't use the word "target" it doesnt actually target it so hexproof and "cannot be the target of spells or abilities" wont stop it, BUT my assuptions are very far from the actual rules so....ya
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8 months ago ::
Oct 03, 2012 - 2:30AM
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okie doke, thank you both
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8 months ago ::
Oct 03, 2012 - 3:42AM
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i was under the assumption that if the card doesn't use the word "target" it doesnt actually target it so hexproof and "cannot be the target of spells or abilities" wont stop it, BUT my assuptions are very far from the actual rules so....ya
That assumption isn't far from this rule:
114.9a Just because an object or player is being affected by a spell or ability doesn't make that object or player a target of that spell or ability. Unless that object or player is identified by the word "target" in the text of that spell or ability, or the rule for that keyword ability, it's not a target.
No, I am not a judge. That's why I like to quote sources such as the rules that trump judges.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 03, 2012 - 4:51AM
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ooh, cool...thank you
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8 months ago ::
Oct 03, 2012 - 8:48AM
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As a teacher, I have learned never to believe someone telling me «OK, I understand»...
Proof-testing often shows otherwise.
«Dystocracy : A system of government in which corrupt leadership colludes with dishonest bankers and greedy elites in order to ensure that productive members of society –people who actually do useful work- bear the greatest share of taxes while gaining the least benefit possible.»
Sounds familiar?
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8 months ago ::
Oct 04, 2012 - 12:10AM
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okay, thats what i thought. and from how most of the questions on here are asnwered, i was under the assumption that if the card doesn't use the word "target" it doesnt actually target it so hexproof and "cannot be the target of spells or abilities" wont stop it, BUT my assuptions are very far from the actual rules so....ya
I believe auras still target without specifically saying target. For example if an echant creature comes into play on a creature it initially targets that creature to enchant it.
I always feel like I'm wrong when posting on here even if I originally believed to 99.9% certainty that I'm correct :D
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8 months ago ::
Oct 04, 2012 - 12:16AM
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- Master of the Quiz (Win '09)
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I believe auras still target without specifically saying target. For example if an echant creature comes into play on a creature it initially targets that creature to enchant it.
I always feel like I'm wrong when posting on here even if I originally believed to 99.9% certainty that I'm correct :D
You are correct. Aura spells do target.
_Magic: The Gathering_ Comprehensive Rules
These rules are effective as of October 1, 2012.
114.1b Aura spells are always targeted. These are the only permanent spells with targets. An Aura's target is specified by its enchant keyword ability (see rule 702.5, "Enchant"). The target(s) are chosen as the spell is cast; see rule 601.2c. An Aura permanent doesn't target anything; only the spell is targeted. (An activated or triggered ability of an Aura permanent can also be targeted.)
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