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9 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 8:00PM #1
rrakness
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hello and thanks in advance:
 I am not sure how this would work? Would I get to make any color of mana from this:

Liliana of the Dark Realms you make the token and tap 5 swamps while Chromatic Lantern is out on your field?

What if one of the lands is a shock land Blood Crypt and you tap it for the red instead while you have the token in play.
 
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 8:02PM #2
Enigma256
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it's an emblem, not a token
the lands affected by Chromatic Lantern are not Swamps, they can simply tap for
Liliana doesn't affect them unless they are Swamps

with the Emblem you can tap the Blood Crypt for , or , whichever you want
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 8:06PM #3
Strago_Magus
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Oct 2, 2012 -- 8:02PM, Enigma256 wrote:

it's an emblem, not a token
the lands affected by Chromatic Lantern are not Swamps, they can simply tap for
Liliana doesn't affect them unless they are Swamps

with the Emblem you can tap the Blood Crypt for , or , whichever you want



Or, if you do have the Lantern out, it'll tap for one of any color or .

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 03, 2012 - 5:32AM #4
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Oct 2, 2012 -- 8:00PM, rrakness wrote:

What if one of the lands is a shock land Blood Crypt and you tap it for the red instead while you have the emblem in play? 


you'll get like you normally would

after Liliana's emblem is out, Blood Crypt will have three activated abilities:

: Add to your mana pool.
: Add to your mana pool.
: Add to your mana pool.

you chose to activate the second one


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9 months ago  ::  Oct 03, 2012 - 8:37AM #5
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Oct 3, 2012 -- 5:39AM, ibangedphage wrote:

you guys need to explain why. the ability spiderlily grants is a seperate ability. in order to change it the ability needs to change mana symbols of say something like if this land would produce mana it produces mana of any color instead. same is true for lanturn its grants a seperate ability it doesnt manipulate the type of mana produced.


Both Liliana and Lantern grant ADDITIONAL abilities to Blood Crypt.
 
At any given time, a player can only use ONE ability (or can only cast ONE spell),
thus they have to choose either to produce one mana (any color) or .
Then Crypt gets tapped.


No mana-type-change done here.

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 03, 2012 - 8:43AM #6
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Oct 3, 2012 -- 5:39AM, ibangedphage wrote:

you guys need to explain why. the ability spiderlily grants is a seperate ability. in order to change it the ability needs to change mana symbols of say something like if this land would produce mana it produces mana of any color instead. same is true for lanturn its grants a seperate ability it doesnt manipulate the type of mana produced.



The more I think about it... WHAT is your question, anyway?

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 03, 2012 - 9:18AM #7
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It's sort of a complex pile of abilities and text granting effects. But it's only complex when we break it down. In practice, it boils down to "you can tap a swamp for four mana."

Here goes anyway:

Liliana of the Dark Realms has the following ability:
-6: You get an emblem with "Swamps you control have ‘: Add  to your mana pool.'"

When that ability resolves, you get an emblem with the following ability:
Swamps you control have ‘: Add  to your mana pool.'

As long as you control that emblem, your swamps have:
: Add  to your mana pool.

Swamps always have:
: Add  to your mana pool.

Blood Crypt is both a swamp and a mountain, so it normally has two mana abilities:
: Add  to your mana pool.
: Add to your mana pool.

Further, Chromatic Lantern adds the following ability:
: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.

After all these effects, your Blood Crypt looks like this:
: Add  to your mana pool.
: Add to your mana pool.
: Add  to your mana pool.
: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.

I think most players understand that you can't normally tap Blood Crypt for , and I hope that my explanation shows why Liliana doesn't let you tap it for 5 and why the lantern doesn't let you tap it for 2.

I also hope that my explanation was not too inane or too pedantic. I interpreted your question as a variation on "what makes an ability an ability?" and I can occasionally get a bit too in-depth.
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