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8 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 1:02PM #1
nmessaou8
Date Joined: Sep 4, 2012
Posts: 32
Since everone seems to be leaning to Zombies in some form (GB, GR, or Jund) postrotation, I am trying to build a deck that just hates the crap out of Zombies while still being able to compete with whatever else is floating around the current environment.
This is just a first draft, so criticism is much apreciated.


22 Lands:
4 x Temple Garden
4 x Sunpetal Grove
8 x Plain
6 x Forest


30 Creatures:
4 x Avacyn's Pilgrim
4 x Arbor Elf
4 x Elite Inquisitor
3 x Silverblade Paladin
3 x Angel of Glory's Rise
2 x Angel of Jubilation
4 x Thragtusk
2 x Angel of Serenity
2 x Angelic Overseer
2 x Sigarda, Host of Herons


20 Other Spells:
2 x Rest in Peace
2 x Terminus
1 x Planar Cleansing
2 x Selesnya Keyrune
4 x Rancor
4 x Oblivion Ring
4 x Farseek


Sideboard
1 x Rest in Peace
2 x Armada Wurm
3 x Restoration Angel
4 x Faith's Shield
2 x Akroma's Memorial
3 x Fiend Hunter


The deck basically wants to ramp up to a big angel as quickly as possible. If you're playing Zombies, that Angel will likely be Glory's Rise.
Thragtusk provides a way to stabilize early on. Rest in peace ensures that any Zombies they've lost to Rancored Elite Enquisitor stay gone.
Silverblade makes rancored Elite Inquisitor an absolute beating against Zombies.
Faith's shield would come in game 2 to provide some protection from spot removal such as ultimate price and abrupt decay.

Not sure about Acroma's Memorial, but I wanted to throw it up there since this deck seems to be really missing Mirran Crusader post rotation.

In a non- Zombie matchup, you would throw in the Resto's and Armada Wurm and take out the Glory's Rise and become more of a beat down deck.

Thoughts?
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 1:44PM #2
jnp5021
Date Joined: May 2, 2011
Posts: 5,962
As a Jund zombie player...this list seems...annoying? I see some good plays you have to make, but lets try and flesh it out more

Now bear in mind, Jund zombies get pillar, Abrupt, and a great sb card, appetite for brains .

Your elites have to be defensive to stop zombies. If you swing with him, I'll swing back harder. If you don't swing, I will be forced to use removal to get rid of him, either pillar or AD if you try and rancor. He is threatening, but by no means unstoppable.

Silverblade is another tough body, very good-he will have to eat a decay, which means elite may live. Most likely this will happen during an attack so I can debond.

All your 4 drops are subject to appetite. Now u have ramp, so early as t3 I will be forced to disrupt my curve to snag whatever is in your hand. Angels scare me more than thrag, so that is my primary pick.
Rest in peace...it's good, but I will not blow removal on it. Gains you some ground but its just not worth hitting a RiP then u drop a silverblade.
Terminus is scary, but it potentially bones you more. As soon as I see white I will not over extend, prefering to clear the way with removal and limited critter combat. U might end up terminus'ing away your game winners then I drop aristorat post miracle (u could hardcast with your ramp I guess) and swing at your head really hard.

I wanna say it's almost too much ramp. U aren't casting worldspine wurm after all. I'd like to see more hate cards and prob some more threats instead of all that ramp. If u go quickly into say sigarda, but she is your only drop cuz your hand is like elite, sigarda, 2 land, 3 ramp, and I hit u with brains, it's GG unless you draw into a threat.

It's def not a bad deck, but it doesn't quite scare me yet.

Let me see your war face son!!

RAR!
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 2:13PM #3
whydoitry
Date Joined: Apr 30, 2010
Posts: 910
i like the look of this deck so far, maybe main board selensya charm incase big fatties are against you, 

elite has vigilance which is abusrd, i like it  
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 2:17PM #4
nmessaou8
Date Joined: Sep 4, 2012
Posts: 32
Elite Inquisitor has vigilance, which is why he basically forces a zombie deck to use removal on him. I've gone up against him with a werewolf deck and he basically becomes threat number one. If he's rancored and paired with Silverblade and manages to swing even once (generally turn 3), then you've basically put a huge dent in your opponent's life total.
Again I would love to run Mirran Crusader but he's gone' so the next best thing is Knight of Glory, who loses the Vigilance of the Inquisitor, but resists Tragic Slip , Dreadbore , Ultimate Price , Abrupt Decay and Victim of Night , but is vulnerable to Pillar of Flame .
Angel of Glory's Rise is the only real hate option here and that's why she's there and I know people don't like to have to face of against Sigarda.
I'm thinking that Sublime Archangel might not be a bad option here over the Overseer, especially if she become paired with Silverblade. If you don't start with an inquisitor.
So something like:
Turn 1: Mana dork
Turn 2: Silverblade
Turn 3: Sublime
Trun 4: Rancor on Sublime swing.

Here's what the new deck would look like

22 Lands:
4 x Temple Garden
4 x Sunpetal Grove
8 x Plain
6 x Forest


30 Creatures:
4 x Avacyn's Pilgrim
4 x Arbor Elf
4 x Elite Inquisitor
3 x Silverblade Paladin
3 x Angel of Glory's Rise
2 x Angel of Jubilation
3 x Thragtusk
2 x Angel of Serenity
3 x Sublime Archangel
2 x Sigarda, Host of Herons


18 Other Spells:
3 x Rest in Peace
3 x Terminus
4 x Rancor
4 x Oblivion Ring
4 x Farseek


Sideboard
3 x Armada Wurm
3 x Restoration Angel
4 x Faith's Shield
4 x Knight of Glory
1 x Thragtusk 






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8 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 4:52PM #5
pzbw7z
Date Joined: Sep 9, 2012
Posts: 601
Riders of Gavony is about as "hateful" as it gets. It seems a good sideboard card at least.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 5:02PM #6
MrIndigo
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Date Joined: Mar 27, 2003
Posts: 13,416
Your curve is ridiculously high. A deckthat wants Silverblade Paladin doesn't want Angel of Serenity.

Nov 4, 2010 -- 9:11AM, Niche wrote:

Nov 3, 2010 -- 10:05PM, Razorgore wrote:

It's really not even about giving niche cards to black.



It should be about giving black cards to Niche.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 03, 2012 - 7:19AM #7
nmessaou8
Date Joined: Sep 4, 2012
Posts: 32

Oct 2, 2012 -- 5:02PM, MrIndigo wrote:

Your curve is ridiculously high. A deckthat wants Silverblade Paladin doesn't want Angel of Serenity.




Under normal circumstances I would agree that Silverblade and Serenity don't belong in the same deck.
However, I have outlined why I think it's viable:
- The deck "pretends" be a typical WG aggro deck. It's first 3-4 turns are very aggressive (at least in my mind)
- The purpose of this is to force the opponent (who let's pretend is playing GB or Jund Zombies) to use their spot removal on your early threats or be overwhelmed
- Serenity and Glory's rise come in and hopefully finish the job.

Is this just a bad plan of attack? Is there not enough ramp to get your bombs out on Turn 5-6?
What are your concerns?

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