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8 months ago  ::  Oct 03, 2012 - 7:44PM #11
konokono
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Is it consensus that Rakdos is stronger than Golgari?

I tended to think Golgari is better, it just has better quality cards overall, and multiple sweepers which makes a huge difference.  I can't think of a single weak matchup for the Golgari because it has answers for EVERYTHING, and strong creatures to boot.  Even Goblins are not that scary because you have 3 sweepers, Maelstrom pulse, and then your emissaries can trade with goblins and mana ramp at the same time




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8 months ago  ::  Oct 03, 2012 - 7:52PM #12
killabkilledb
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Oct 3, 2012 -- 7:44PM, konokono wrote:

Is it consensus that Rakdos is stronger than Golgari?

I tended to think Golgari is better, it just has better quality cards overall, and multiple sweepers which makes a huge difference.  I can't think of a single weak matchup for the Golgari because it has answers for EVERYTHING, and strong creatures to boot.  Even Goblins are not that scary because you have 3 sweepers, Maelstrom pulse, and then your emissaries can trade with goblins and mana ramp at the same time




I think Golgari has better overall balance. The fact that it has abundant answers for hexproof creatures, artifacts, enchantments, a TON of removal, some good lifegain, nasty enchantments and card draw just make it very well rounded in pretty much any matchup. Its worst matchup is probably Dream Puppets where its usually a race....do I drop a fatty you helped make and kill you before my slow-removal heavy deck gets milled or do I run out of cards...... Also, if you run this as slow and removal heavy, Talrand can be an issue....I suppose a turn 3 hexproof troll is the worst thing Talrand can see from this deck....and I am not running them....

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 03, 2012 - 7:52PM #13
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Oct 3, 2012 -- 7:44PM, konokono wrote:

Is it consensus that Rakdos is stronger than Golgari?

I tended to think Golgari is better, it just has better quality cards overall, and multiple sweepers which makes a huge difference.  I can't think of a single weak matchup for the Golgari because it has answers for EVERYTHING, and strong creatures to boot.  Even Goblins are not that scary because you have 3 sweepers, Maelstrom pulse, and then your emissaries can trade with goblins and mana ramp at the same time







Non-creature based decks like Burn BF, Burn MS and (maybe) Turbo Mill DP can be a problem because every removal spell in SS becomes a (nearly) dead card. Also, OD has better bombs, although SS can still get a win here because of better card draw. Not saying GM is better, just pointing out some bad matchups for SS.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 03, 2012 - 7:55PM #14
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Oct 3, 2012 -- 7:52PM, felbatista wrote:

Oct 3, 2012 -- 7:44PM, konokono wrote:

Is it consensus that Rakdos is stronger than Golgari?

I tended to think Golgari is better, it just has better quality cards overall, and multiple sweepers which makes a huge difference.  I can't think of a single weak matchup for the Golgari because it has answers for EVERYTHING, and strong creatures to boot.  Even Goblins are not that scary because you have 3 sweepers, Maelstrom pulse, and then your emissaries can trade with goblins and mana ramp at the same time







Non-creature based decks like Burn BF, Burn MS and (maybe) Turbo Mill DP can be a problem because every removal spell in SS becomes a (nearly) dead card. Also, OD has better bombs, although SS can still get a win here because of better card draw. Not saying GM is better, just pointing out some bad matchups for SS.




I forgot BF, that is also a bad matchup if you run into the creature light version...and you are removal heavy. You can still win but you are on a serious clock.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 03, 2012 - 8:02PM #15
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I run Troll Ascetic so maybe this is why I am not so afraid of BF.  I wouldn't say it's a good matchup but I wouldn't consider it bad either.  I know the troll is not always the best card to run but I don't think you can call it an outright bad card to run either.  It's useful against certain matchups and I use both Rancors, which goes great on the Ascetics.

In the matchup with OD, I would *think* that SS has the advantage because of Greater Good and Spiritmonger.  Spiritmonger can regenerate, and Greater Good can turn any murdered fatty into some card draw... as for OD's fatties they can all be removed too... but OD doesn't have card draw or regeneration

 
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 03, 2012 - 8:06PM #16
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Oct 3, 2012 -- 8:02PM, konokono wrote:

I run Troll Ascetic so maybe this is why I am not so afraid of BF.  I wouldn't say it's a good matchup but I wouldn't consider it bad either.  I know the troll is not always the best card to run but I don't think you can call it an outright bad card to run either.  It's useful against certain matchups and I use both Rancors, which goes great on the Ascetics.

In the matchup with OD, I would *think* that SS has the advantage because of Greater Good and Spiritmonger.  Spiritmonger can regenerate, and Greater Good can turn any murdered fatty into some card draw... as for OD's fatties they can all be removed too... but OD doesn't have card draw or regeneration

 




This is funny because I don't know how many times an SS player will drop a couple a Trolls and I just Flamebreak. Bonus laughs if they regen them without realizing it won't do them any good

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 03, 2012 - 8:10PM #17
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A good SS player will only play one troll at a time against BF
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 03, 2012 - 8:11PM #18
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Oct 3, 2012 -- 8:02PM, konokono wrote:

I run Troll Ascetic so maybe this is why I am not so afraid of BF.  I wouldn't say it's a good matchup but I wouldn't consider it bad either.  I know the troll is not always the best card to run but I don't think you can call it an outright bad card to run either.  It's useful against certain matchups and I use both Rancors, which goes great on the Ascetics.

In the matchup with OD, I would *think* that SS has the advantage because of Greater Good and Spiritmonger.  Spiritmonger can regenerate, and Greater Good can turn any murdered fatty into some card draw... as for OD's fatties they can all be removed too... but OD doesn't have card draw or regeneration

 




You talk like you feel guilty about running one of the most efficient 3 drops in the game. The card is excellent, man!

... but, BF has Flamebreak .

About OD, well, it has card draw . But SS card draw is better. Spiritmonger can be a problem, but Mutilate exists. And OD's fatties can be removed, but they can cause you many problems even when they die. Just look at Rune-Scarred Demon , Grave Titan and Griselbrand . And, in the end of the day, Corrupt

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 03, 2012 - 9:02PM #19
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in my experience i think auras is a bit weak compared to the others, it just doesn't have enough good creatures to keep away the rush early on and theirs few creatures to pick from to enchant that have good bonuses least in my mind
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 04, 2012 - 10:07AM #20
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I don't think there is one. It really depends what deck you are up against. Every deck has it's weak points and it's strong points. My favorite out of the new is AS, my least favorite is GM. 
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