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9 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 8:28AM #1
shahryar
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not sure if that was the proper term but making someone lose by running out of cards.

Is this a viable strategy, I noticed in the RTR block there are quite a few cards that could possible stack this effect and I am kindof tempted to try doing it with primarilly an Izzet deck. 
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 8:49AM #2
perodequeso
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The more common colloquial term is "milling".  It's a viable strategy, but you got to support it right.
When the next set comes out I'll bet there will be more Mill, maybe.

Mill isn't something you splash into a deck, your deck needs to be very focused for it to work.  To be honest though, most of the Mill decks I play against lose.  They tend to run out of steam before reaching the finish line.  Mill changes how your opponents play against you.  

It's also a good idea to have cards that exile graveyards.  With Elixir of Immortality in the card pool.  Something like Tormod's Crypt .

Most mill decks tend to be , by the way.  These are just my opinions however.
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 8:50AM #3
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The term Magic players usually use is mill, I think after Millstone .


RTR was absolutely horrible for Mill. Doorkeeper is a win condition for defender decks, but not a mill engine on its own really. Crosstown Courier is awful in terms of mill. And the only thing Chronic Flooding is good for is milling yourself (it's actually pretty good at that though). I guess there was Psychic Spiral though, which could work well in a deck that milled you and your opponent at the same time. Pretty mediocre for mill overall though.


The recent Innistrad and Dark Ascension sets had more decent mill cards. Stuff like Curse of the Bloody Tome , Dream Twist , Chill of Foreboding , Thought Scour , and Increasing Confusion . As well as stuff to feed your graveyard like Forbidden Alchemy , Armored Skaab , and Mulch .


I'm sure the next set Gatecrash will have a decent amount of solid mill. It does have the Dimir guild after all, which is known for Glimpse the Unthinkable .

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 8:53AM #4
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Oh, I forgot to mention that both Jace, Memory Adept and Sands of Delirium were printed in M13, both decent mill engines just on their own. You also have Mind Sculpt , which really isn't that great, but it does mill. Archaeomancer and Augur of Bolas from that set can get you mill cards out of your graveyard and library respectively.
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 9:07AM #5
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Oct 2, 2012 -- 8:49AM, perodequeso wrote:

The more common colloquial term is "milling".



Well, "milling" is the most common way to "deck" an opponent. My preferred method is Palinchron + High Tide to generate infinite mana and hit my opponent with an arbitrarily large Stroke of Genius or Braingeyser .

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 2:22PM #6
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Mill was possibly at its strongest during Zendikar-Scars; thanks to this guy , -12 is the unluckiest of integers. But Innistrad gave you a few options , with lots of cards to use the graveyard. (And Increasing Confusion to boot!)

Anyway, the basics. You usually won't mill an opponent out. (I think the last tier-1 deck for that was Turbo-Stasis. Planeswalkers make that kind of impossible to play even in Legacy now.) You'll usually use mill for something. Options there:

Reanimator. Basically mill something big out and bring it back . The downside is, these cards tend to be at least four mana. Legacy reanimator is insane, but Modern reanimator isn't so broken. (Especially since most things you'd want to reanimate go back in your library.)

Milling as a trigger. Not as possible in Standard. Bloodchief Ascension fills the role perfectly. You can throw on Mindcrank , Archive Trap , Sword of Body and Mind . Naturally, none of these cards are Standard-legal.

Self-mill. Laboratory Maniac as wincon. Can also be used to get cards in your graveyard that you want in your graveyard.

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 05, 2012 - 11:11AM #7
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Oct 2, 2012 -- 9:07AM, Escef wrote:

Oct 2, 2012 -- 8:49AM, perodequeso wrote:

The more common colloquial term is "milling".



Well, "milling" is the most common way to "deck" an opponent. My preferred method is Palinchron + High Tide to generate infinite mana and hit my opponent with an arbitrarily large Stroke of Genius or Braingeyser .





Prior to onslaught block correct? I mean i've heard of this awesome mill card called brain freeze and only way to counter storm is through stifle or some other card with a similar effect 

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 05, 2012 - 11:15AM #8
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Oct 2, 2012 -- 2:22PM, bay_falconer wrote:

Mill was possibly at its strongest during Zendikar-Scars; thanks to this guy , -12 is the unluckiest of integers. But Innistrad gave you a few options , with lots of cards to use the graveyard. (And Increasing Confusion to boot!)

Anyway, the basics. You usually won't mill an opponent out. (I think the last tier-1 deck for that was Turbo-Stasis. Planeswalkers make that kind of impossible to play even in Legacy now.) You'll usually use mill for something. Options there:

Reanimator. Basically mill something big out and bring it back . The downside is, these cards tend to be at least four mana. Legacy reanimator is insane, but Modern reanimator isn't so broken. (Especially since most things you'd want to reanimate go back in your library.)

Milling as a trigger. Not as possible in Standard. Bloodchief Ascension fills the role perfectly. You can throw on Mindcrank , Archive Trap , Sword of Body and Mind . Naturally, none of these cards are Standard-legal.

Self-mill. Laboratory Maniac as wincon. Can also be used to get cards in your graveyard that you want in your graveyard.




How exactly was Mill at it's strongest during zend-scars? Are you meaning standard wise? Or overall?  

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 05, 2012 - 11:58AM #9
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Oct 5, 2012 -- 11:15AM, rmd1983 wrote:

How exactly was Mill at it's strongest during zend-scars? Are you meaning standard wise? Or overall?  




Standard. You had a bazillion mill combos all because of one card .

If you tried to win by milling itself, though, three other cards said "no".

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 06, 2012 - 12:17AM #10
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Oct 5, 2012 -- 11:11AM, rmd1983 wrote:

Oct 2, 2012 -- 9:07AM, Escef wrote:

Oct 2, 2012 -- 8:49AM, perodequeso wrote:

The more common colloquial term is "milling".



Well, "milling" is the most common way to "deck" an opponent. My preferred method is Palinchron + High Tide to generate infinite mana and hit my opponent with an arbitrarily large Stroke of Genius or Braingeyser .





Prior to onslaught block correct? I mean i've heard of this awesome mill card called brain freeze and only way to counter storm is through stifle or some other card with a similar effect 



My. Preferred. Method.

I despise Storm. Storm decks ignore the opponent for 3 or 4 turns, then win. It isn't even a game at that point.

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