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8 months ago ::
Oct 04, 2012 - 6:42PM
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- UnCon Prizewinner 2008
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By no turn 1 kills in this case, do you mean 1 turn loses?
you will never take an action that causes you to lose. therefore, you can't possibly lose before your opponent has done something.
Mountain, Mana Clash . Technically "capable" of winning, and "perfect play" doesn't prevent you from playing it, but because of the rules you will always lose.
Rule 5 in the OP states
5. If a random effect (i.e. a coinflip) is owned by a player, its outcome is chosen by the opponent.
so Mana Clash isn't actually capable of winning, so it's not legal
Ah, but your opponent is still trying to win the game, so your opponent would choose for you to lose every coinflip, so it would be an effective tactic if it didn't lose to both base decks.
not really casting it causes you to automatically lose, so with optimal play you'll just never cast it. it's much the same as just having a blank card in the deck
firstrike
Ceci n'est pas une pipe.
This definitely doesn't mean what you think it means.
I was referring to the painting The Treachery of Images.
I know.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 04, 2012 - 6:55PM
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Wait, do our decks still play to win?
If so...can I re-do my entry? >.<
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8 months ago ::
Oct 04, 2012 - 6:55PM
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Good call.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 04, 2012 - 7:34PM
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- UnCon Prizewinner 2008
- Infernal Spawn of Infernal Spawn of Evil
- Chairman of the Board
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Wait, do our decks still play to win?
If so...can I re-do my entry? >.<
yup
firstrike
Ceci n'est pas une pipe.
This definitely doesn't mean what you think it means.
I was referring to the painting The Treachery of Images.
I know.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 04, 2012 - 7:35PM
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Sweet.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 04, 2012 - 7:45PM
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- UnCon Prizewinner 2008
- Infernal Spawn of Infernal Spawn of Evil
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ideally the new thread would have started out with a more normal format, but that's not how it panned out
as with almost every problem in human history, the root of the issue can be traced back to Zokorad
firstrike
Ceci n'est pas une pipe.
This definitely doesn't mean what you think it means.
I was referring to the painting The Treachery of Images.
I know.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 04, 2012 - 8:34PM
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I'm assuming with Mana Clash that neither the "must have a wincon" restriction nor the "play to win" rule are sentient of any condition except in-game knowledge and written card text.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 05, 2012 - 11:36AM
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- UnCon 3CM Master
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I was close last round, so actually trying this one.
 Also, I fully agree with the mafia MVP... JaC is too damn hard to catch as scum. Even when I started being sure he was scum, I was not sure and had to invent some plans to fish for reactions... which he would have probably passed and I would have had nothing to use against him...
Oh yes, JaC's a genius at this.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 05, 2012 - 11:40AM
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This looks like alot of fun, can't wait to see how I do.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 05, 2012 - 12:43PM
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I'm assuming with Mana Clash that neither the "must have a wincon" restriction nor the "play to win" rule are sentient of any condition except in-game knowledge and written card text.
Nah, looks like it's also aware that the opponent chooses the outcome for coinflips.
Ah, but your opponent is still trying to win the game, so your opponent would choose for you to lose every coinflip, so it would be an effective tactic if it didn't lose to both base decks.
not really casting it causes you to automatically lose, so with optimal play you'll just never cast it. it's much the same as just having a blank card in the deck
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