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8 months ago ::
Oct 08, 2012 - 9:06AM
#121
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- UnCon 3CM Master
- UnCon Prize Stealer
Date Joined:
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Second again so far.
 Also, I fully agree with the mafia MVP... JaC is too damn hard to catch as scum. Even when I started being sure he was scum, I was not sure and had to invent some plans to fish for reactions... which he would have probably passed and I would have had nothing to use against him...
Oh yes, JaC's a genius at this.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 08, 2012 - 10:19AM
#122
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Date Joined:
Sep 16, 2011
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10. tmich City of Brass  Drifter il-Dal  Rainbow Vale  18. thatmarkguy Black Lotus  Mana Crypt  Nath's Elite  Can people doublecheck my logic and execution here? It's a dramatically close race on both matches (if I worked it out right, in both matches I lose on the upkeep of the turn I would have won on attack) When I go first
me:him life totals after each turn 1a: 20:20 (I play Black Lotus, Mana Crypt, cast Nath's Elite)
1b: 20:19 (he plays City of Brass and casts Drifter)
2a: 17:15 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3, I attack with Nath's Elite for 4)
2b: 15:14 (taps City of Brass to upkeep Drifter; attacks for 2; plays Rainbow Vale)
3a: 12:10 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3, I attack with Nath's Elite for 4)
3b: 10:9 (taps City of Brass to upkeep Drifter; attacks for 2)
4a: 7:5 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3, I attack with Nath's Elite for 4)
4b: 5:5 (taps Rainbow Vale to upkeep Drifter; attacks for 2)
5a: 2:1 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3, I attack with Nath's Elite for 4)
5b: 2:1 (did not upkeep drifter, it dies)
6a: -1:1 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3; game ends during upkeep) When he goes first:
me:him life totals after each turn
1a: 20:19 (he plays City of Brass and casts Drifter)
1b: 20:19 (I play Black Lotus, Mana Crypt, cast Nath's Elite)
2a: 18:18 (taps City of Brass to upkeep Drifter; attacks for 2; plays Rainbow Vale)
2b: 15:14 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3, I attack with Nath's Elite for 4)
3a: 13:13 (taps City of Brass to upkeep Drifter; attacks for 2)
3b: 10:9 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3, I attack with Nath's Elite for 4)
4a: 8:8 (taps City of Brass to upkeep Drifter; attacks for 2)
4b: 5:4 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3, I attack with Nath's Elite for 4)
5a: 3:3 (taps City of Brass to upkeep Drifter; attacks for 2)
5b: 0:3 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3; game ends during upkeep)
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8 months ago ::
Oct 08, 2012 - 10:44AM
#123
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Date Joined:
Sep 16, 2011
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2. Caldera42 Black Lotus Impatience  Ornithopter  18. thatmarkguy Black Lotus Mana Crypt Nath's Elite Also, someone entered my match with Caldera as 6-0 Caldera... and I disagree, I see it as 6-0 me. Am I wrong? v Caldera
When I go first me-him life totals after each turn
1a: 20:20 (I play Black Lotus, Mana Crypt, cast Nath's Elite)
1b: 20:20 (he plays Black Lotus, Impatience)
2a: 15:16 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3, I attack with Nath's Elite for 4, Impatience hits me for 2)
2b: 15:16 (He plays Ornithopter)
3a: 10:16 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3, I attack with Nath's Elite, Ornithopter blocks, Impatience hits me for 2)
3b: 10:14 (Impatience hits him for 2)
4a: 5:10 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3, I attack with Nath's Elite for 4;Impatience hits me for 2)
4b: 5:8 (Impatience hits him for 2)
5a: 0:4 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3, I attack with Nath's Elite for 4;Impatience hits me for 2) When he goes first me-him life totals after each turn
1b: 20:20 (he plays Black Lotus)
1a: 20:20 (I play Black Lotus, Mana Crypt, cast Nath's Elite)
2a: 20:20 (he plays Impatience)
2b: 15:16 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3, I attack with Nath's Elite for 4, Impatience hits me for 2)
3a: 15:16 (He plays Ornithopter)
3b: 10:16 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3, I attack with Nath's Elite, Ornithopter blocks, Impatience hits me for 2)
4a: 10:14 (Impatience hits him for 2)
4b: 5:10 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3, I attack with Nath's Elite for 4;Impatience hits me for 2)
5a: 5:8 (Impatience hits him for 2)
5b: 0:4 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3, I attack with Nath's Elite for 4;Impatience hits me for 2)
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8 months ago ::
Oct 08, 2012 - 11:11AM
#124
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Date Joined:
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4. Zokorad Invisible Stalker  Ornithopter Saprazzan Cove  18. thatmarkguy Black Lotus Mana Crypt Nath's Elite And another disagreement, the spreadsheet has it 6-0 for Zorokad but I see 6-0 for me. I cast my Nath's Elite on my first turn, and he gets to block it twice (on two separate turns, assuming he's not stupid enough to cast them both on the same turn - perfect information). So I hit him with the Nath's Elite 4 times in the 6 turns (my 2nd thru 7th) for 16 damage. On those 6 turns the Mana Crypt his me 6x3=18, and then on my eighth turn the Crypt kills me.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 08, 2012 - 11:59AM
#125
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Date Joined:
Sep 16, 2011
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6. The_Ogre Breeding Pool  Cloud Sprite  Leaf Arrow  18. thatmarkguy Black Lotus Mana Crypt Nath's Elite And another case of where I see this as a 6-0 for me but someone entered it as a 6-0 against me. When I go first
me-him life totals after each turn
1a: 20:20 (I play Black Lotus, Mana Crypt, cast Nath's Elite)
1b: 20:18 (he plays Breeding Pool (2 life) and casts Cloud Sprite)
2a: 17:14 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3, I attack with Nath's Elite for 4)
2b: 16:14 (attacks for 1)
3a: 11:10 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3, I attack with Nath's Elite for 4)
3b: 10:10 (attacks for 1)
4a: 7:6 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3, I attack with Nath's Elite for 4)
4b: 6:6 (attacks for 1)
5a: 3:2 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3, I attack with Nath's Elite for 4)
5b: 2:2 (attacks for 1)
6a: -1:1 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3; game ends during upkeep) When he goes first
me-him life totals after each turn
1a: 20:18 (he plays Breeding Pool (2 life) and casts Cloud Sprite)
1b: 20:18 (I play Black Lotus, Mana Crypt, cast Nath's Elite)
2a: 19:18 (attacks for 1)
2b: 16:14 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3, I attack with Nath's Elite for 4)
3a: 15:14 (attacks for 1)
3b: 12:10 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3, I attack with Nath's Elite for 4)
4a: 11:10 (attacks for 1)
4b: 8:6 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3, I attack with Nath's Elite for 4)
5a: 7:6 (attacks for 1)
5b: 4:2 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3, I attack with Nath's Elite for 4)
6a: 3:2 (attacks for 1)
6b: 0:2 (Mana Crypt hits me for 3, game ends during upkeep)
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8 months ago ::
Oct 08, 2012 - 12:40PM
#126
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Date Joined:
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In this wierd format I have assumed that you are treated to have won all coin flips with mana crypt.
Blocks I liked: (+1) Invasion Onslaught Mirrodin Time Spiral Lorwyn Zendikar Return to Ravnica Blocks I disliked: (-1) Oddesy Champions of Kamigawa Time Echoes Innistrad Any Released Blocks not listed in this Sig Blocks I neutralize: (+/-0) Ravnica City of Guilds Shadowmoor Shards of Alara Scars of Mirrodin http://community.wizards.com/paranoia
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8 months ago ::
Oct 08, 2012 - 12:46PM
#127
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Date Joined:
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In this wierd format I have assumed that you are treated to have won all coin flips with mana crypt.
The discussion earlier in the thread about Mana Clash strictly indicates the opposite.
Opponent plays to win.
Player plays to win.
Every coin flip outcome is chosen by opponent (who, playing to win, will choose to have it go against Player) .
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8 months ago ::
Oct 08, 2012 - 12:52PM
#128
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Date Joined:
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The deck plays to win the game, it doesn't play to get the most points.
Everything Mown does is elegant.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 08, 2012 - 12:56PM
#129
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Date Joined:
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The deck plays to win the game, outside of coin flips.
Blocks I liked: (+1) Invasion Onslaught Mirrodin Time Spiral Lorwyn Zendikar Return to Ravnica Blocks I disliked: (-1) Oddesy Champions of Kamigawa Time Echoes Innistrad Any Released Blocks not listed in this Sig Blocks I neutralize: (+/-0) Ravnica City of Guilds Shadowmoor Shards of Alara Scars of Mirrodin http://community.wizards.com/paranoia
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8 months ago ::
Oct 08, 2012 - 1:03PM
#130
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Date Joined:
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My point was that just because you score differently doesn't mean the games play any differently.
Everything Mown does is elegant.
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