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dbmeboy

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Oct 4, 2012 -- 12:07PM, Nitrosus wrote:
Another Question. When Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker or any other planeswalker/spell targets a creature, flashing in a Restoration Angel removes the target bringing in an "entirely new creature" to the battlfield with the result of the original creature being unharmed?

Yes, for the exact reasons you mentioned. When the creature returns it is an entirely new creature and not the creature that was being targeted (which no longer exists).

Nitrosus

Date Joined: Aug 14, 2012

Posts: 68

And if Nicol Baolas, Planeswalker

is sent to the graveyard after gaining control of a creature, dose the creature remain under the player's control or dose it get returned to the owner becuase it was controlled by Nico Bolas. Planeswalker

?

K-Mogg

Date Joined: May 15, 2001

Posts: 3,419

You would keep it.

Nicol Bolas does not specify a duration of as long as he is on the battlefield. (He has no duration at all)

Edit:
Compare the wording on these two cards:
Beguiler of Wills

Olivia Voldaren

When Olivia leaves you lose control (because that's what the card says)
With Beguiler and Nicol Bolas no such duration is specified.

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ikegami

Date Joined: Nov 16, 2007

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The creature remain under that player's control.

Continous effects (e.g. "gain control") from sources other than static abilities (e.g. Nicol Bolas's second activated ability) last until the end of game unless explicitly limited (by something like "as long as Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker is on the battlefield" or "until end of turn").

611.2a A continuous effect generated by the resolution of a spell or ability lasts as long as stated by the spell or ability creating it (such as "until end of turn"). If no duration is stated, it lasts until the end of the game.

There_Dweller

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Sep 26, 2012 -- 10:04PM, FezzHead wrote:
You can't target Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker with Divine Deflection since it's not a creature or player. You may target your opponent, then choose to redirect that damage to Nicol Bolas.

I was under the impression that you could target a planeswalker with anything that could target a player. At least according to the planeswalker rules posted in the thread.

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I think you need to reread them. From the link Shard Fenix posted:

If a source you control would deal noncombat damage to an opponent, you may have that source deal that damage to a planeswalker that opponent controls instead. This is a redirection effect: you choose whether to redirect the damage as the redirection effect is applied, and it's subject to the normal rules for ordering replacement effects. The player affected by the damage chooses the order in which to apply such effects, but the controller of the source of the damage chooses whether the damage is redirected. Note that this redirection can't be applied to combat damage.

For example, although you can't target a planeswalker with Shock, you can target your opponent with Shock, and then as Shock resolves, choose to have Shock deal its 2 damage to one of your opponent's planeswalkers. If you do, two loyalty counters are removed from that planeswalker.

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2goth4U

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and something like Inferno

could damage the planeswalker without targeting it

can planeswalkers be targeted? yes

by Lightning Bolt

? no*
by Vindicate

? yes

can Lightning Bolt damage a planeswalker? yes, but it doesn't target it

* (technically, it could if the planeswalker also happened to be a creature)

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There_Dweller

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Okay, so for direct damage spells, technically the target is still the player, but the caster can still choose to deal the damage to the planeswalker?

So what about cases like Fireball when the caster wants to choose multiple targets? Would the caster be able to target the player twice and choose to deal some of that damage to the planeswalker or would the caster have to pay the extra (1) to target the player again to deal damage to the planeswalker?

Enigma256

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not just technically, but also actually

with Fireball

you can target the player only once, and you can redirect all damage to one planeswalker he controls
you can't split the damage to multiple planeswalkers or between the player and the planeswalker, it's all or nothing

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Nitrosus

Date Joined: Aug 14, 2012

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A simple solution is Magmaquake since the spell dose not target

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