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Flag longwalrus October 22, 2012 4:38 PM PDT
I want the gate, I really do, but we don't have a critical mass of populate yet. The Eyes have it(yes I know that's not how the saying goes).
Flag Black_Egg October 22, 2012 4:46 PM PDT
Flag EyeHunter October 22, 2012 6:35 PM PDT
Guildgate, this is when we want fixing.
Flag DyasAlure October 23, 2012 1:04 AM PDT
guildgate
Flag Lobster667 October 23, 2012 9:07 AM PDT
Risen Sanctuary is surprisingly relevant. And very fat.
Flag BalogTheFierce October 23, 2012 9:10 AM PDT
Well, we have a Sanctuary, stealer, chant, runewing and sentry as possible options.  I think we can rule out the chant since I'd rather have the elemental, despite the populate options.  However do we want to be running that high on the curve.  We're also probably better off taking sentry over stealer, since we're white in both our off colors.  That leaves the Sanc, sentry and the runewing.  The runewing is slow, but cycles and offers air support whiche can be difficult in RtR.  Kind of a toss up.

I'll go for the Sanctuary it's better costed and can be a finisher, or at least break a board stall or be something to stall into.
Flag rstnme October 23, 2012 9:13 AM PDT
I mean, the best cards in the pack are the crew and scorpion, and we don't have a B splash going on right now (and too bad, this deck would love a trestle troll). We don't have ramp so a 7-drop will be a pain.

Honestly, I think I want a vanilla 3/2 here. Sentry for me. Runewing is close for its CA, but I'd like something that trades with other centaurs.
Flag BalogTheFierce October 23, 2012 9:18 AM PDT

Oct 23, 2012 -- 9:13AM, rstnme wrote:

I mean, the best cards in the pack are the crew and scorpion, and we don't have a B splash going on right now (and too bad, this deck would love a trestle troll). We don't have ramp so a 7-drop will be a pain.

Honestly, I think I want a vanilla 3/2 here. Sentry for me. Runewing is close for its CA, but I'd like something that trades with other centaurs.




Pack 2, we have a Trestle Troll

Flag rstnme October 23, 2012 9:20 AM PDT

Oct 23, 2012 -- 9:18AM, BalogTheFierce wrote:

Oct 23, 2012 -- 9:13AM, rstnme wrote:

I mean, the best cards in the pack are the crew and scorpion, and we don't have a B splash going on right now (and too bad, this deck would love a trestle troll). We don't have ramp so a 7-drop will be a pain.

Honestly, I think I want a vanilla 3/2 here. Sentry for me. Runewing is close for its CA, but I'd like something that trades with other centaurs.




Pack 2, we have a Trestle Troll




I know. But not fixing for a troll. GWub could be a thing if we had more gates or axebane, but we don't.

Flag Tymestalker October 23, 2012 9:26 AM PDT
Sanctuary.  Last time I played Selesnya, I was dying for a creature that could get through 4 and 5 toughness creatures.
Flag Sleeping October 23, 2012 10:05 AM PDT
Sanctuary
I'd probably go with Runewing if we didn't already have a couple Eyes in the Skies . But Sanctuary is definitely a finisher I can respect, and I see it having the highest potential impact in our deck (though Runewing would still be decent). 
Flag rezzahan October 23, 2012 10:20 AM PDT
Sanctuary
Flag longwalrus October 23, 2012 10:25 AM PDT
We might not want it in every matchup, but the 8/8 is the card that is most likely to do something for us. Some decent percentage of the games in this set seem to go long.
Flag Arioch22 October 23, 2012 10:29 AM PDT
Sanctuary is a pretty legit finisher.
Flag silentbobus October 23, 2012 10:30 AM PDT
I like Risen here as well. 8/8 + Vigilence can shut the majority of decks down and Selensya decks can generally last long enough to get to 7 mana (if they haven't won already by that time)

Also, Eyeuhnter, even your contained signature creates problems for my IE 8 browser.
Flag Arioch22 October 23, 2012 10:32 AM PDT

Oct 23, 2012 -- 10:30AM, silentbobus wrote:

I like Risen here as well. 8/8 + Vigilence can shut the majority of decks down and Selensya decks can generally last long enough to get to 7 mana (if they haven't won already by that time)

Also, Eyeuhnter, even your contained signature creates problems for my IE 8 browser.




Upgrade to a better browser! As a web developer I can attest to IE 8 being dumb.

Flag EyeHunter October 23, 2012 11:55 AM PDT

Oct 23, 2012 -- 10:05AM, Sleeping wrote:

Sanctuary
I'd probably go with Runewing if we didn't already have a couple Eyes in the Skies . But Sanctuary is definitely a finisher I can respect, and I see it having the highest potential impact in our deck (though Runewing would still be decent). 



This convinced me. sanctuary it is. Runewing is better in the abstract, but not here.

Flag TEA_DEMON October 23, 2012 4:05 PM PDT
sanctuary.
Flag Herid_Fel October 23, 2012 6:56 PM PDT
Risen Sanctuary indeed. A good sized finisher.
Flag Black_Egg October 23, 2012 9:54 PM PDT
Flag DyasAlure October 24, 2012 4:44 AM PDT

Oct 23, 2012 -- 9:54PM, Black_Egg wrote:

Risen Sanctuary




Flag BalogTheFierce October 24, 2012 9:22 AM PDT
Even with as many tokens as we're trying to push out I'm not sure I want the General.  Think I'd rather have the Knightly valor or the growth.

I'll go with the tried and tested Giant Growth
Flag Tymestalker October 24, 2012 9:34 AM PDT
Phantom General
Flag Arioch22 October 24, 2012 9:35 AM PDT
Growth, General, Valor, and probably to a lesser extent, Stealer, all seem legit here. Could be wrong, but I think I want the General.
Flag rezzahan October 24, 2012 9:53 AM PDT
I, too, take the old classic: Giant Growth.
Flag isaic16 October 24, 2012 10:10 AM PDT
I actually think the General is quite good here.  While we don't have an over-abundance of tokens, that +/+ is incredibly relevant in the format.  It gets centaurs to 4 p/t, which lets them eat other centaurs, as well as breaking through blockers with 4 toughness like indrik or troll without regen mana up.  Also, getting the 1/1 birds to be 2/2 is very relevent and turns them into viable threats, rather than annoyances.

(Just did a count, we have 7 token generators, and there's a decent chance we get 1-2 more.  that means half our creatur base can get pumped.)
Flag Lobster667 October 24, 2012 10:18 AM PDT
I haven't tried it yet but my feeling is that Phantom General is the stones with tokens. Snap that up.
Flag rstnme October 24, 2012 10:47 AM PDT
General. I hear 2-power fliers are a thing in, well, limited. 
Flag EyeHunter October 24, 2012 11:04 AM PDT

Oct 24, 2012 -- 10:47AM, rstnme wrote:

General. I hear 2-power fliers are a thing in, well, limited. 



This. Most of our tokens are centuars and birds. 2 power fliers can end the game quickly, and the diffence between 3 and 4 is big in this format.

General

Flag Zokorad October 24, 2012 12:03 PM PDT

Oct 24, 2012 -- 11:04AM, EyeHunter wrote:

Oct 24, 2012 -- 10:47AM, rstnme wrote:

General. I hear 2-power fliers are a thing in, well, limited. 



This. Most of our tokens are centuars and birds. 2 power fliers can end the game quickly, and the diffence between 3 and 4 is big in this format.

General




Flag silentbobus October 24, 2012 12:19 PM PDT
Everytime I've seen the general work he's been a game-changing bomb.
Flag Herid_Fel October 24, 2012 1:11 PM PDT
Late Phantom General makes me feel better about all those Eyes in the Skies.
Flag Valeurvaleur October 24, 2012 1:12 PM PDT
Generalez
Flag TEA_DEMON October 24, 2012 1:51 PM PDT
sure let's try general.
Flag Sleeping October 24, 2012 2:57 PM PDT
General.
Flag catowner October 24, 2012 4:58 PM PDT
General, I think.  We have quite a few token makers.
Flag Black_Egg October 24, 2012 5:09 PM PDT
Flag DyasAlure October 24, 2012 11:18 PM PDT

Oct 24, 2012 -- 5:09PM, Black_Egg wrote:

Phantom General




Flag Falcon_Uk October 25, 2012 2:02 AM PDT
I've never played with the General so let's go for that.
Flag Falcon_Uk October 25, 2012 9:14 AM PDT
Sundering Growth
Flag BalogTheFierce October 25, 2012 9:14 AM PDT
Seller of songbirds

One of the few times this is worth it.
Flag catowner October 25, 2012 9:15 AM PDT
I GUESS we take seller, we already have a growth for the board and we MIGHT run into some playable-light packs.  Also, birds get better in greater numbers.
Flag EyeHunter October 25, 2012 9:20 AM PDT
Seller, but it's pretty even between her and Growth.
Flag silentbobus October 25, 2012 10:17 AM PDT
I was going to say Sundering, but we already have 1 and that is as much as I want to maindeck. I think Seller is a decent pick here.
Flag rezzahan October 25, 2012 10:18 AM PDT
I'd like to sell some songbirds.
Flag Arioch22 October 25, 2012 10:28 AM PDT
Seller
Flag Lobster667 October 25, 2012 10:38 AM PDT
Seller? I hardly know 'er!

Sorry.
Flag rstnme October 25, 2012 11:41 AM PDT

Oct 25, 2012 -- 10:38AM, Lobster667 wrote:

Seller? I hardly know 'er!

Sorry.




Ha! The sorry made me laugh.

Seller! 

Flag TEA_DEMON October 25, 2012 3:05 PM PDT
seller of songbirds is better when it churns out 2/2s i suppose.
Flag Tymestalker October 25, 2012 4:29 PM PDT
Seller
Flag Black_Egg October 25, 2012 4:47 PM PDT
Flag Herid_Fel October 26, 2012 4:43 AM PDT
Sundering Growth. I did all Selesnya at the prerelease, and I found that Seller is an underwhelming ground body with a Scryb Sprites stuck on. There are enough bomb enchantments (and solid artifacts, like the keyrunes) that I'd rather have two Disenchants that also populate.
Flag silentbobus October 26, 2012 4:49 PM PDT
Ah good, the previous pick has been vindicated and we can take the second Sundering Growth here.
Flag BalogTheFierce October 26, 2012 5:16 PM PDT
Eh, it's Sundering Growth #2 or Ethereal armor

Either is fine really, we're on the populate plan and having a decent sideboard ain't so bad.

Sundering Growth
Flag Herid_Fel October 26, 2012 10:17 PM PDT
Ethereal Armor. First strike is very nice in this set, and as folks noted last pick we already have a Sundering Growth.
Flag DyasAlure October 26, 2012 10:40 PM PDT
armor
Flag Lobster667 October 26, 2012 10:40 PM PDT

Oct 26, 2012 -- 10:17PM, Herid_Fel wrote:

Ethereal Armor. First strike is very nice in this set, and as folks noted last pick we already have a Sundering Growth.




Flag TEA_DEMON October 27, 2012 4:00 AM PDT
ethereal armor
Flag silentbobus October 27, 2012 5:38 AM PDT

Oct 26, 2012 -- 10:17PM, Herid_Fel wrote:

Ethereal Armor. First strike is very nice in this set, and as folks noted last pick we already have a Sundering Growth.




In a populate deck you should have at least one Sundering Growth maindeck and one sideboard. The more artifacts and enchantments passed the more likely targets in opponent decks.

Flag Black_Egg October 27, 2012 5:38 AM PDT
Flag Zokorad October 27, 2012 5:43 AM PDT
I've been convinced to change my vote to armor.
Flag EyeHunter October 27, 2012 7:34 AM PDT
Armor.
Flag BalogTheFierce October 27, 2012 8:16 AM PDT
Foilz
Flag silentbobus October 27, 2012 8:16 AM PDT
Good ole Giant Growth looks like the pick here.
Flag TEA_DEMON October 27, 2012 4:09 PM PDT
gg
Flag EyeHunter October 27, 2012 6:15 PM PDT
Growth.
Flag Black_Egg October 27, 2012 8:53 PM PDT
Flag CommanderGreven October 28, 2012 6:48 PM PDT
Things we're really hectic today.  Updates at normal time tomorrow.  Sorry for the delay.
Flag rstnme October 28, 2012 6:50 PM PDT
No need to apologize and thanks as always for running these.
Flag CommanderGreven October 28, 2012 6:53 PM PDT
I still like to keep everyone informed when something comes up.
Flag Falcon_Uk October 29, 2012 2:04 AM PDT
Growth
Flag BalogTheFierce October 29, 2012 8:50 AM PDT
Swift justice
Flag silentbobus October 29, 2012 8:50 AM PDT
I was thinking Swift Justice at first, but I always end up cutting that card from my actual decks. Not sure if anything else fits though.
Flag rstnme October 29, 2012 8:54 AM PDT
Swift Justice absolutely. First strike? Hello.
Flag Tymestalker October 29, 2012 9:21 AM PDT
Swift Justice
Flag Falcon_Uk October 29, 2012 9:51 AM PDT
I'm a huge fan of Swift Justice.
Flag Zokorad October 29, 2012 10:29 AM PDT

Oct 29, 2012 -- 9:51AM, Falcon_Uk wrote:

I'm a huge fan of Swift Justice.


so am I

Flag EyeHunter October 29, 2012 11:52 AM PDT
Swift Justice would be cut from this deck. Troll is a good hate-draft.
Flag orin02 October 29, 2012 2:42 PM PDT
Justice! (League)
Flag TEA_DEMON October 29, 2012 4:56 PM PDT
i feel as though swift justice is one of the best combat tricks we've seen for some time, but trestle troll is just such a good card and should not still be here.
Flag Black_Egg October 29, 2012 5:25 PM PDT
Swift Justice

The troll is worrisome, but not enough to make me hate draft it. 
Flag BalogTheFierce October 29, 2012 9:09 PM PDT
Sundering Growth #2
Courier
Horncaller's chant (woot)
Search
Flag EyeHunter October 29, 2012 9:44 PM PDT
Runewing
Courier
Horncaller's chant
Search

Flag Lobster667 October 29, 2012 9:52 PM PDT
Dynacharge, Instinct, Chant, Trash Rare.
Flag DyasAlure October 29, 2012 11:05 PM PDT

Oct 29, 2012 -- 9:09PM, BalogTheFierce wrote:

Sundering Growth #2
Courier
Horncaller's chant (woot)
Search




Flag Black_Egg October 29, 2012 11:17 PM PDT
Flag silentbobus October 30, 2012 4:30 AM PDT

Runewing, Instinct, Chant, Search

Flag Zokorad October 30, 2012 7:56 AM PDT

Oct 30, 2012 -- 4:30AM, silentbobus wrote:


Runewing, Instinct, Chant, Search




Flag TEA_DEMON October 30, 2012 4:33 PM PDT

Oct 29, 2012 -- 9:44PM, EyeHunter wrote:

Runewing
Courier
Horncaller's chant
Search



this one looks good to me.

Flag rstnme October 31, 2012 7:15 AM PDT
Rune, Instinct, Chant, Search
Flag Falcon_Uk October 31, 2012 9:53 AM PDT
Thanks CG
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