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9 months ago  ::  Sep 26, 2012 - 7:15AM #31
ThisGuyMan
Date Joined: Aug 7, 2012
Posts: 240
My last question I think I have right now is black cat or ravenous rats

I know black cat is random, but it has to die... that could be a couple turns later.

I think if i use ravenous rats it will be more effective because rats followed up with mind rot, is 3 cards.. that leaves them with 2-3 left in thier hand and I think the rest of my deck can handle w/e they got.

Should i go with rats so i can get the instant discard effect?
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 26, 2012 - 7:21AM #32
rstnme
Date Joined: Aug 10, 2012
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I heart random card discard, but basically you're left with your opponent deciding when to attack and risk random discard. I don't like letting my opponent decide how effective my card can be, so I'd rather go with the immediacy of Ravenous. Ravenous is also great late game when they're left topdecking.
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 26, 2012 - 9:19AM #33
ThisGuyMan
Date Joined: Aug 7, 2012
Posts: 240
I also took out 1 duress and added a liliana, i figure she will be a great card to have once the other person is top decking lol
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 26, 2012 - 11:27AM #34
ItBurnsUs
Date Joined: Aug 10, 2012
Posts: 18
After a little bit of testing last night, this is the list I'm looking at currently:

3 x Duress
3 x Mind Rot
2 x Rakdos's Return
4 x Shrieking Affliction
2 x Dreadbore
3 x Pillar of Flame
2 x Tragic Slip
4 x Mutilate
2 x Barter in Blood
2 x Sign in Blood
2 x Underworld Connections

4 x Ravenous Rats
4 x Desecration Demon

4 x Dragonskull Summit
4 x Mountain
15 x Swamp


I thought about the Deathrite Shaman but I hesitate due to not being able to use his third ability for lifegain. I was not comfortable splashing a third color. Is he worth it for just the situational mana fixing and life drain?

Also I think Liliana is a good call in this deck, I'll have to see if I can squeeze her in.

My meta is pretty aggro, hence the main deck Pillars. The only issue I have is Pillar doesn't trigger morbid for Tragic Slip, which is kind of annoying, so I may SB the Pillars in favor of something like Mizzium Mortars and switch them out with Tragic Slip versus Zombies etc.
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 26, 2012 - 9:30PM #35
ThisGuyMan
Date Joined: Aug 7, 2012
Posts: 240

Sep 26, 2012 -- 11:27AM, ItBurnsUs wrote:

After a little bit of testing last night, this is the list I'm looking at currently:

3 x Duress
3 x Mind Rot
2 x Rakdos's Return
4 x Shrieking Affliction
2 x Dreadbore
3 x Pillar of Flame
2 x Tragic Slip
4 x Mutilate
2 x Barter in Blood
2 x Sign in Blood
2 x Underworld Connections

4 x Ravenous Rats
4 x Desecration Demon

4 x Dragonskull Summit
4 x Mountain
15 x Swamp


I thought about the Deathrite Shaman but I hesitate due to not being able to use his third ability for lifegain. I was not comfortable splashing a third color. Is he worth it for just the situational mana fixing and life drain?

Also I think Liliana is a good call in this deck, I'll have to see if I can squeeze her in.

My meta is pretty aggro, hence the main deck Pillars. The only issue I have is Pillar doesn't trigger morbid for Tragic Slip, which is kind of annoying, so I may SB the Pillars in favor of something like Mizzium Mortars and switch them out with Tragic Slip versus Zombies etc.


Yea liliana will be worth it I think

also the the deathrite shaman will trigger creatures b/c thats what the dreadbore and tragic slip is for, plus aggro decks will have no choice but to discard creatures too...

keep in mind its not just your graveyard its any graveyard.

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 27, 2012 - 4:56AM #36
Kinkki
Date Joined: May 19, 2012
Posts: 51
Wouldn't Stab Wound be a great staller and dmg dealer for longer games?
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 30, 2012 - 9:09PM #37
ThisGuyMan
Date Joined: Aug 7, 2012
Posts: 240

Sep 27, 2012 -- 4:56AM, Kinkki wrote:

Wouldn't Stab Wound be a great staller and dmg dealer for longer games?


yea stab wound is also a good call, i might actually make it have 3 so i can combo it with the afflictions

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 30, 2012 - 9:23PM #38
soullacerater
Date Joined: Jul 17, 2012
Posts: 52
So I was thinking of creating a B/R control deck as well. Is there a particular reason you do not want to add burn to it? I feel like Havoc Festival and Guttersnipe can add a different dimension to this type of deck.
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9 months ago  ::  Oct 01, 2012 - 1:00PM #39
ThisGuyMan
Date Joined: Aug 7, 2012
Posts: 240

Sep 30, 2012 -- 9:23PM, soullacerater wrote:

So I was thinking of creating a B/R control deck as well. Is there a particular reason you do not want to add burn to it? I feel like Havoc Festival and Guttersnipe can add a different dimension to this type of deck.


I am going to try out havoc festival when I start playing, other than that guttersnipe is a bad card in my opinion lol but thats just me. Im not changing this deck until I play with it..

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9 months ago  ::  Oct 01, 2012 - 6:52PM #40
nopemx6
Date Joined: Apr 4, 2012
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Oct 1, 2012 -- 1:00PM, ThisGuyMan wrote:

I am going to try out havoc festival when I start playing, other than that guttersnipe is a bad card in my opinion lol but thats just me. Im not changing this deck until I play with it..



Don't knock it until you try it, everytime i've had a Snipe out, he's done somewhere between 6-10 damage.  Especially when you're playing him against creature heavy decks, a Bonfire or Mortars allows him to swing in for extra damage.  I had my doubts too, but he does work AND/OR your opponent wastes removal on your 2/2 Goblin.    

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