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9 months ago ::
Sep 25, 2012 - 2:18PM
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This is the situation. I have 3 creatures on the battlefield, I sacrifice them with dread return  's flashback (while I have 2 bridge from below  on the graveyard), to return flayer of the hatebound  to the battlefield. What would appear? 1.The zombies first, then flayer of the hatebound . (no damage triggered from zombies) 2. Flayer of the hatebound  first, then the zombies (dealing damage per zombie) 1 or 2?
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9 months ago ::
Sep 25, 2012 - 2:21PM
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Aww... server maintenance has taken the Gatherer down, so I can't look up the cards.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 25, 2012 - 2:29PM
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Bridge from Below triggers as you cast Dread Return. They will resolve first, giving you zombies, then Flayer will enter the battlefield later.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 25, 2012 - 2:31PM
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Oct 26, 2011
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The zombies would never trigger Flayer because they don't enter the battlefield from the graveyard. They're just tokens, so they only exist on the battlefield.
Here's the full stack (top to bottom):
Bridge triggers to put zombies on the field
Dread Return targeting Flayer
The zombie tokens are created, then the Flayer comes back. Flayer's trigger goes on the stack and resolves dealing 5 (?) damage to target creature/player.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 25, 2012 - 2:43PM
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9 months ago ::
Sep 26, 2012 - 2:32AM
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Feb 14, 2010
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So for example a Predator Dragon  would be more effective to do a direct kill damage than Flayer of the hatebound . PD: better to use Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite  , isn't it? hahaha
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9 months ago ::
Sep 26, 2012 - 5:54AM
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That depends on what you mean by "more effective." If your deck can make a ton of goblins, Predator Dragon will be great for you. If you have a lot of creatures with undying, or a few copies of Rise from your Grave  , then Flayer of the Hatebound  is probably the better choice. Elesh Norn  is useful for both decks, because it directly increases the Flayer's damage, and it makes your goblin army bigger.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 26, 2012 - 7:28AM
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Well this is gonna depend greatly on how you build your dredge deck, I love FLayer in dredge, considering most dredge decks pack plenty of ways to make FLayer a beatstick. Ichorid  is the main one of course, but in other builds like Manaless - there's Nether Shadow  , possibly Bloodghast  aswell. Don't rule out Flayer without playing it a fair bit. Flayer and Griselbrand are both very good target fro Dread Return in dredge, whether you play with Lion's Eye Diamond  or whether you go manaless.
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