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9 months ago ::
Sep 24, 2012 - 1:39PM
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Paying the suspend cost is not casting the spell. You are merely exiling it with some time counters. Once the last time counter is removed, you may cast the spell without paying its mana cost. You don't need to generate mana because the spell costs  to cast.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 24, 2012 - 1:40PM
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There's no clear answer. I believe it's not meant to cover that.
so you're not sure of the answer, then?
it's not covered in the rules (that I can find)
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9 months ago ::
Sep 24, 2012 - 1:41PM
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so you're not sure of the answer, then?
"spent on a spell" is not defined in the rules.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 24, 2012 - 1:42PM
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There's no clear answer. I believe it's not meant to cover that.
so you're not sure of the answer, then?
You're asking if he's sure that there's no clear answer?
that too? i was asking if he's sure that boseiju doesn't cover this situation of making Lightning Storm uncounterable in this way (ie if he's not sure then maybe others might chime in on their opinions, and if he is sure could he back it up with some Comp Rules so i can delight in exploring another nuance of the rules), but i also have irrationally strong interest whenever the Magic Rules Machine might have a hole in it, too, so the answer to "are you sure there's no clear answer?" interests me, too.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 24, 2012 - 1:42PM
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sorry, still no (unless you used it on the actual mana cost)
wrong answer - read the rulings
The spell can't be countered if the mana produced by Boseiju is spent to cover any cost of the spell, even an additional cost such as a splice cost. This is true even if you pay an additional cost while casting a spell "without paying its mana cost."
an activated ability of a spell is not part of the cost of that spell
I'd argue that Boseiju only applies if you spend mana on the "total cost", activated abilities are not part of that
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9 months ago ::
Sep 24, 2012 - 1:43PM
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@2got4U, Lightning Storm  doesn't have an additional cost or otherwise add to the spell, so the ruling doesn't help.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 24, 2012 - 1:44PM
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so you're not sure of the answer, then?
"spent on a spell" is not defined in the rules.
ah, so that's why there is no clear answer.
hm. so have i stumbled upon a situation where there might be a hole in the rules (until it's given a ruling)?
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9 months ago ::
Sep 24, 2012 - 1:44PM
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There's no clear answer. I believe it's not meant to cover that.
so you're not sure of the answer, then?
You're asking if he's sure that there's no clear answer?
that too? i was asking if he's sure that boseiju doesn't cover this situation of making Lightning Storm uncounterable in this way (ie if he's not sure then maybe others might chime in on their opinions, and if he is sure could he back it up with some Comp Rules so i can delight in exploring another nuance of the rules), but i also have irrationally strong interest whenever the Magic Rules Machine might have a hole in it, too, so the answer to "are you sure there's no clear answer?" interests me, too.
Yes, I misread your post.
I have deleted mine.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 24, 2012 - 1:44PM
#19
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Oct 29, 2007
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Aren't we talking about Chill and casting a suspended spell from exile?
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Goth/Industrial/EBM/Indie/Alternative/80's-Wave DJDJ VortexDCI Certified Rules Advisor from July 14, 2009 to July 14, 2012 DCI #5209514320 Wit found in Rules Q&ARPJesus: "Man, screw the rules, I'll play a game of 2HG Archenemy Planechase Emperor EDH draft yet. Once I figure out the rules for it..." Chaikov: "Of course, casual Magic may be played any way your Pokemon group agrees on..." and "It's not logic. It's Magic!" GainsBanding: "I only play online. The Magic Online shuffler is AWESOME!" Ikegami: "one might think [adult cats] would make excellent tokens. The issue, though, is that they are very hard to exile. They return to the battlefield more often than an undying creature." Astarael7: "Does 121.1 imply that players are supposed to wear their poison counters?" Bimmerbot: "If you move the wrong way and [the poison counters] fall, it's a game rule violation" Helluminatus: "Just remember, if it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, and quacks like a duck, but the oracle text says creature - Bunny , then by god, it's a bunny." MadCow21: "Who are you and what have you done with the real Chaikov?" My Wife's Makeup Artist Page <-- cool stuff - check it out
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9 months ago ::
Sep 24, 2012 - 1:45PM
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Aren't we talking about Suppression Field and casting a suspended spell from exile?
no 
we're talking Suppression Field  and Lightning Storm 's ability
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