I'm trying to make a multiplayer Green and White deck, first time making a multiplayer deck. Anyone have any advice on making one? I'm having my Legendary Creature as Tolsmir Wolfblood (3/4 other green creaures get +1/+1, other white creatures get +1/+1, tap put a legendary 2/2 green and white wolf creature toke named Voja into play. Costs 4 colorless and 1W and 1G).
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Other than that, you build it much like any other deck, yet realizing that some strategies that are great in a duel (weenie swarms, for example) are far harder to pull off in MP games.
At least you aren't hamstringing yourself by foolishly trying to keep the deck Standard legal.
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I'm having my Legendary Creature as Tolsmir Wolfblood.
Do you mean having him as a general for a commander deck? The Commander (EDH) forums would help you with deckbuilding on that. Or do you just want to make a multiplayer deck focused around him?
Multiplayer is way different from 1v1 matches. The main rule in MP is to never over-extend your resources. If you focus on attacking 1 player the entire game, if you actually manage to kill that player, another player can take you out very easily. That is unless you can sweep every player with superior numbers and a well timed overrun . Tolsimir focuses on buffing creatures, so having lots of creature tokens would be your best bet.
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Control is the key of a mill deck. You should free up your mana as much as possible so that you can respond to whatever your opponent is doing. Having some way to remove threats, both real and percieved, is necessary to survival. Real threats are those that are already on the field, and are something a simple unsummon or doom blade can remove. Percieved threats are those that aren't on the field, something a simple duress or counterspell can deal with. Controlling the board will allow your mill deck to continuously perform, if you use permanent style mill, that is.
One-Shot Mill spells are something you should avoid. You can toss tome scour s at your opponent until your hand runs out, but that isn't going to be enough to mill them to death. With 1-shot mill spells, like tome scour , you have to treat them like burn spells. Therefore, the only "good" 1-shot mill spells are sanity grinding (in the right deck) and mind funeral . Try to find more permanent styles of milling, like memory erosion , hedron crab , and curse of the bloody tome , so that you don't have to waste your mana each turn doing something that those permanents can do with a single mana/turn investment. Keeping your mana open allows you to respond with control elements.
Traumatize Rant. Traumatize is a terrible card for a multitude of reasons. First, it costs 5 to cast, which is a large investment for a mill deck. Milling half a library sounds neat, but if you do the math, it really isn't that much. An average 60 card deck starts with drawing 7 cards. Then, barring any draw spells on their end, or ramp on yours, 5 turns will go by, where they draw 5 more cards, leaving 48 in the deck. Unless they had a deck with more than 60 cards, or you ramped it out, the most you'll ever mill with a single Traumatize on turn 5 is 24 cards. That's not too shabby, but hang on, there's more! If they drew any additional cards or if they were milled before turn 5, that number will be much lower. In addition, any more Traumatize's you draw will only mill less and less as the game goes on...which is the point of a mill deck. My whole point on Traumatize is the it is NOT worth the 5 mana investment, not even with haunting echoes . You can mill more than 24 before turn 5...which you can then cast the echoes.
If you look at a mill deck like a burn deck, you'll notice that it takes longer to win with mill than with burn. For example, lightning bolt costs 1 and does 3 out of the 20 damage needed to win (barring any lifegain or damage prevention). For mill, that same investment of 1 would have to mill 9 cards out of an average 60 card deck to be the equivilent of lightning bolt . The problem is that there is no mill card that can do that...except hedron crab , over a period of time. The initial investment of 1 will pay off in 3 more land drops to make the crab equal to a bolt. However, the crab nets you more mill beyond those 3 land drops, making it better as the game draws on. Other cards, like curse of the bloody tome , are excellent ways of milling an opponent because the initial investment of is all you have to pay in order to put your opponent on a clock. All you have to do is stay alive, which is the true goal of a mill strategy.
There are other ideas for mill decks that are specific to certain types of strategies. Combo mill decks can mill an entire player's library out from under them. Secondary mill strategies are usually tied to another strategy, like drowner of secrets in a merfolk deck, or halimar excavator in an ally deck. Milling can be done in certain decks that are able to ramp out enough mana to make use of the higher costing mill spells, like using 16 x post to pay for X on sands of delirium or for ambassador laquatus . Multiplayer mill decks are even tougher to build, but can be done. Being a slower environment[/c], it is easier to ramp in multiplayer, allowing for big X spells, like mind grind , to be useful. Consuming aberration is another star player. The more straightforward strategy is to use mesmeric orb and dreamborn muse while being the only deck at the table that can deal with it . There are always new strategies coming out with each new set, so check gatherer for any new mill cards that you find to be the most fun for you!
Now you can say that you haven't fallen into the trap that most new players fall into when they build their first mill deck!
: Order, Law, Faith. : Knowledge, Artifice, Control. : Corruption, Death, Self-Interest. : Freedom, Destruction, Victory. : Nature, Growth, Life. : Progressive, but too controlling. : Focused, but short sighted. : Skilled, but hypocritical. : Unified, but without a sense of self. : Cunning, but devious. : Inquisitive, but incautious. : Rational, but impulsive. : Powerful, but spiteful. : Instinctive, but selfish. : Fearless, but reckless.
11x 7 X "Lords" 4x Dryad Militant 4x Kitchen Finks 4x Steward of Valeron 4x 2x Oversoul of Dusk 4x 3x Enlisted Wurm 4x Ancient Spider
This is heavy on creatures, and really makes Wrath of God effects good, so cutting back would be a good idea. The Dryad isn't doing too much on it's own, so that can go. That leave 31 creatures which is high, so we may come back and trim more.
24 lands is great place to start, and we'll keep that number. With everything being equal in green and white to cast so far means equal numbers of Plains and Forests. But having options can help make sure everything gets cast even with unlucky draws. Selesnya Guildgate is cheap, Selesnya Sanctuary is great, Temple Garden is amazing but costly so we'll ignore it for now, but Brushland is cheap and comes into play untapped.
So that puts us at 55 cards, we'll defintely want to trim down some creatures. Right now we have no defense, so something like Krosan Grip or even Naturalize will help keep some troublesome artifacts and enchatnments off your back. Swords to Plowshares is great for making sure big scary creatures aren't that scary anymore. Soul Snare can keep away mutliple creatures as long as your have W open. Ghostly Prison has been recommended, as has the amazing Overrun and the newer Overwhelming Stampede which will be better if your deck is doing well.