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9 months ago  ::  Sep 22, 2012 - 11:35PM #1
Zigeif777
Date Joined: Jan 12, 2010
Posts: 739
The deck is playtesting very well, weak links feel like Crypt-Born Horror and Mogg Flunkies. Still considering Stromkirk Noble and Hellhole Flailer. That said, turn 5 or 6 wins are very consistent. What do you think?


4 x Rakdos Cackler
4 x Vexing Devil
4 x Ash Zealot
4 x Rakdos Shred-Freak
4 x Mogg Flunkies
4 x Crypt-Born Horror
4 x Hellrider
4 x Pillar of Flame
4 x Brimstone Volley
3 x Dreadbore
4 x Dragonskull Summit
2 x Blood Crypt
15 x Mountain
          
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May 12, 2010 -- 12:14PM, ong312 wrote:

grandma pumps the threat she ramps.



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    Jun 30, 2010 -- 1:35AM, S1AL wrote:

    Playing a bad deck in order to be original is like using crappy tools to build something. Not only does it look bad in the end, but nobody really thinks that you're cool for being unwilling to do things the way a professional would.


Look at the card. Now back to Jace. Now back to that card, now back to Jace! Sadly, it isn't Jace, but if it stopped being a junk rare and became relevant, it could act like it's Jace. Crack some Worldwake. What do you have? You have a Jace, the card you wish this card could be like. Look again. THE CARD IS NOW A $75 BILL. Anything possible when you play Magic with Jace and not junk rares.
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 23, 2012 - 2:26AM #2
mepersoner
Date Joined: Oct 9, 2011
Posts: 221
I was looking at a similar list, only -lackies, + stromkirk and -black for searing spear.  It seemed like it would be good, but I was hesitant about crypt-born horror.  How has it been working for you?

Edit:  If you stay in black, hellhole flailer might be a card actually, I think it's decent.  Our three drops are pretty lacking at the moment.  Not sure 12 instants and sorceries, even if burn spells, are enough for Guttersnipe.  I'm sure I'm missing something from another set...

Gore-house chainwalker might be better than Lackey for you too. 
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 23, 2012 - 2:46AM #3
mepersoner
Date Joined: Oct 9, 2011
Posts: 221
Other potential three drops (some are pretty borderline):

crossway vampire - efficiently costed with releveant comes into play ability
kruin outlaw - efficiently costed and if it transforms is insane
erdwal ripper - hasty dude with potential if he starts connection
markov blademaster - I think this is too slow for this deck, but gets out of hand crazy quick
pyreheart wolf - helps push through turn 4 damage, especially with hellrider, on the slow side
fervent cathar - better when top decking than crossway vampire because it's hasty, but smaller. I think it's better.

Also, forgot that if you stay in black, might want to consider crimson muckwader as a two drop.  Also, lightning mauler is a solid two drop too, and I think I would run it over shred freak.
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 23, 2012 - 5:34AM #4
Jman22
Date Joined: Mar 12, 2006
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You don't want Muckwader in a primarily red deck. You want it in a primarily black deck (IE 10+ swamps)

And crypt-born horror is really, really dissapointing, unless you only want him to be a 2/2 in most games. 
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 23, 2012 - 6:30AM #5
phatbeamish
Date Joined: Sep 20, 2012
Posts: 26
This is the list im going to run

R/b agg
4 vexing devil
4 rakdos cackler
4 ash zealot
4 rakdos shred freak
3 guttersnipe
3 hellhole flailer
2 zealous conscripts

2 dreadbore
3 searing spear
4 pillar of flame
3 bonfire
4 brimstonevolley
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 23, 2012 - 7:36AM #6
kashonismw
Date Joined: Oct 8, 2007
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I was going to suggest Guttersnipe, but you don't run enough burn spells here... maybe since you have so many creatures, Burn at the Stake ? when it comes down in the right deck it's almost always game.
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 23, 2012 - 8:03AM #7
re4leonkennedy
Date Joined: Nov 1, 2009
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I don't think it is worth splashing black for dreadbore. You're adding $50 of cost to your deck and not making it any better. Searing Spear is better for this kind of deck. 3 damage to a creature in standard is going to kill it with very few exceptions (wolfir silverheart). Same for planeswalkers which you would probably just ignore in an aggro deck. Searing Spear is also instant speed and can damage players. I think dreadbore is very overpriced at the moment and am just trying to save you money. It doesn't seem worth it to me to almost double the price of your deck by adding dragonskull summits, blood crypts, and dreadbore when you can just play mountains and searing spear. 

Other suggestions for your deck. I would probably drop hellrider, brimstone volley, cryptborn horror, and mogg flunkies down to 3 copies each and add in Stromkirk Noble . 4 hellriders seems like 1 too much in a deck with only 21 lands. I usually only use 4 copies of a card if I want to see multiple copies of it in a game or want it in my starting hand. Hellrider doesn't fit either of those criteria. Cryptborn horror and flunkies were your weak links as stated so I don't think you want 4 copies. Brimstone Volley is a great card and I like it a lot. I've played a lot of games in the past with RDW and 4 copies of brimstone volley was too much. 3 copies of it worked great though. Stromkirk noble is still the 1st turn play you want in a red deck. I usually like 10-11 1 mana creatures in RDW to improve the odds of a turn 1 creature. I'm not so sure about cryptborn horror in general. It seems pretty situational to me and also seems horrible when you're in top deck mode. I wish there was a decent 3 drop in red to recommend instead. And searing spear would replace dreadbore if you cut black.


  

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 23, 2012 - 10:03AM #8
RorixCollector
Date Joined: Apr 26, 2006
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RDW is not back check out some of G and G/Ws creatures for further details.
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 23, 2012 - 10:14AM #9
EnigmaTrain
Date Joined: Jun 6, 2009
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Don't run Searing Spear . 3 is not a relevant toughness; 2 and 4 are the main numbers in this meta, which is why Pillar of Flame and Mizzium Mortars exist. 
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 23, 2012 - 11:12AM #10
re4leonkennedy
Date Joined: Nov 1, 2009
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Sep 23, 2012 -- 10:14AM, EnigmaTrain wrote:

Don't run Searing Spear . 3 is not a relevant toughness; 2 and 4 are the main numbers in this meta, which is why Pillar of Flame and Mizzium Mortars exist. 


I really don't think 4 is one of the main number in this meta. What creatures with 4 toughness are you killing? Loxodon Smiter, Restoration Angel, and Wolfir Silverheart? Mizzium Mortars won't be killing silverheart, but you could searing spear the most likely soulbond target. Mizzium Mortars can kill Restoration Angel while allowing an exile and return of a creature. Searing Spear can kill that restoration target. Mizzium Mortars is obviously better against loxodon smiter. Instant speed removal seems good against creatures with haste or flash which there are several. 3 toughness creatures that could see play: zealous conscripts, wolfir avenger, sublime archangel, thragtusk, vampire nighthawk, hellrider, olivia voldaren, augur of bolas, bloodline keeper, dungeon geists, fiend hunter,flinthoof boar, stuff from RTR. Or just killing stuff that was damaged that turn. Can always be used against a player also. Plenty of uses for searing spear.

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