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10 months ago ::
Sep 26, 2012 - 9:57AM
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Date Joined:
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troll is not good at all in this build
Fixed. Troll looks amazing on paper, and he IS pretty darn good. The issue is, he is far from ideal in an aggro build. There are currently 2 cards that you want to pitch to him: Gravecrawler  and Slitherhead  and the latter is nigh useless without the presence of the troll. He would just be better later game, when you're topdecking Diregraf ghoul  s, but as it is troll is not a great card here.
And indigo, I don't mean to be combative, it it almost seems as though you're ignoring everything that Rancor  does apart from the +2/+0. I mean, yes, they will likely be chumped, but how often is it that that particular creature would not have been chumped anyway? At least now it has trample. And yes, a lack of toughness bonus means they will die a lot, but in that case, rancor just comes back to your hand, so honestly, I don't see the issue.
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10 months ago ::
Sep 26, 2012 - 10:10AM
#32
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And helps activate mi artista!! Si si señor!
Love what rancor adds to artist. Artist does his job whether or not he is actually doing his job so to speak. He sets up bad block situations where life is lost either way. It's the classic damned if you do damned if you don't. Go ahead and waste removal on him. No matter to me. Love what green adds here.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 27, 2012 - 1:11AM
#33
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and Slitherhead and the latter is nigh useless without the presence of the troll.
Not in the presence of rancor, though. But on its own it does basically nothing.
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional." Proud member of the Rakdos guild
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9 months ago ::
Sep 27, 2012 - 3:46AM
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Date Joined:
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Some real Kavu Titaning going on here.
It's really not even about giving niche cards to black.
It should be about giving black cards to Niche.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 27, 2012 - 3:53AM
#35
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indigo, you should join chat.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 27, 2012 - 4:26AM
#36
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Kavu Titan? I'm not trying to pay absurd costs for power/trample
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9 months ago ::
Sep 27, 2012 - 7:35AM
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Date Joined:
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I wasn't even a little competitive back then, but didn't Kavu Titan  see some play, before the bar for creatures was astronomically high? I'm not saying that pitching Dregman to Trololol is the right play every time, or even in a vacuum, but I can see myself doing it frequently in certain matchups/situations, and it's not a bad use for it, owing largely to its compostability. Other reason I like the Troll is aggressive regenerating 2-drop. Tried drafting a Zombie deck in bio lecture the other day, there's too many fantastic goodies to choose from (obviously ignoring a reasonable budget). 4 x Blood Artist  4 x Diregraf Ghoul  3 x Dreg Mangler  4 x Falkenrath Aristocrat  4 x Geralf's Messenger  4 x Gravecrawler 4 x Lotleth Troll  1 x Abrupt Decay  2 x Bonfire of the Damned  2 x Dreadbore  3 x Rancor 2 x Sign in Blood  4 x Blood Crypt  3 x Cavern of Souls  4 x Dragonskull Summit  4 x Overgrown Tomb  4 x Swamp  4 x Woodland Cemetery  Aggressive Money.dec A surprising relative lack of mythics in this list, and the Rav2 rares should tank in two months due to vast quantities of product being torn open at literally all hours of the day.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 27, 2012 - 10:20AM
#38
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Truth on the reduced prices. I only need 1 more aristocrat and the abrupt decay and my list is finished as is. Got the land from last go around. Oh need manglers and cacklers too, but those are pennies.
Still not sold on the troll. But I will playtest with it. Right now I have 4 slots that I'm not 100% on. As is now its a 2/2 split cackler/mangler. Doesn't feel quite right tho.
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9 months ago ::
Sep 30, 2012 - 4:37PM
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Updated list. Lol troll didn't pan out. Never wanted to pitch anything cept crawler and it was just slowing me down. Decided to not play cackler. Great 1 drop, yeah, but deathrite shaman  is just so much better tech, and needs to be maindeck. I always want to see him, but I don't have room for a set, running 2 happily right now. Also found bonfire...lacking. I just don't have enough land to make it powerful enough. So instead, I'm trying revenge of the hunted  ! Haha it sounds funny, but it makes bonkers plays. Yeah u can remove the target, sure. But you can counter bonfire. So I'm tryin it out! New list as it stands: 4x gravecrawler  4x diregraf ghoul  2x deathrite shaman 4x blood artist  4x geralf's messenger  2x dreg mangler  4x falkenrath aristocrat  4x rancor  4x pillar of flame  2x killing wave  3x abrupt decay  2x revenge of the hunted 4x blood crypt  4x overgrown tomb  4x dragonskull summit  4x woodland cemetery  1x kessig wolf run  1x grim backwoods  3x swamp  Sb 4x appetite for brains  4x vile rebirth  1x deathrite shaman 3x annhilating fire  3x sever the bloodline  Sb is obvious subject to change, but I thought it gives me a good place to start. May drop to 1 revenge and go up to a brimstone volley  . Prob better to have the reach...but revenge is just so darn tasty!
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9 months ago ::
Sep 30, 2012 - 6:54PM
#40
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Date Joined:
Jul 15, 2011
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I don't think of Lotleth Troll as a midrange card. With cheap, chuckable Zombies you can get a lot of value out of your two-drop. Turn 1: Gravecrawler (or just hold it to feed the troll if you don't have a handful of them.. I know it's not ideal but it won't hurt you much overall) Turn 2: Lotleth Troll. Turn 3: Chuck 2 Zombies ( Slitherhead or Gravecrawler ideally), Ghoulcaller's Chant  , chuck them again, Scavenge or Cast from Graveyard. If you have a pair of Slitherheads and chuck them twice and then Scavenge them to the troll, you're swinging with an 8/7 trampler on turn 3. Oh, and he regenerates. And you'd have the mana to do so. You'd kind of have to build a deck to work around him, but he's vicious. Don't underestimate this guy combined with Scavenge effects.
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