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9 months ago  ::  Sep 19, 2012 - 6:35PM #1
EternalAnarchy
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Can I use Defense of the Heart to cheat out the B.F.M ? DotH says I have to bring out two creature cards, not two creatures, and BFM is technically two cards. So does this work?
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 19, 2012 - 7:37PM #2
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  I would say it works.
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 20, 2012 - 5:17AM #3
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And I'd say it wouldn't.

I know it's unhinged territory but if we stick to the definition the verb "play", which means cast here. It won't work, because you try to put them on the battlefield, and to be able to do that, you'd have to play/cast both parts, which you don't, as you want to put them on the battlefield.
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 20, 2012 - 5:48AM #4
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Sep 20, 2012 -- 5:17AM, Zoidberg wrote:

And I'd say it wouldn't.

I know it's unhinged territory but if we stick to the definition the verb "play", which means cast here.



Someone needs to read the card more closely. It does not say to play the creatures, it says to put them into play. Which strongly implies that the Oracle text would be "onto the battlefield". Which is exactly what the Oracle text does say. Imagine that. (Nothing personal, crabcakes.)

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 20, 2012 - 9:32AM #5
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From the Unglued QAS (Questions Asked, Sometimes) :

Can I cast Animate Dead on B.F.M.?
No. Animate Dead can target only one creature card. Although B.F.M. is considered one permanent (and one card) while in play, it is in fact two cards when in your hand, graveyard, or library. B.F.M. cannot be brought into play unless both pieces are brought in at the same time (say by Living Death or Incoming!).



So if you get both pieces you can put it out. 

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 20, 2012 - 9:20PM #6
EternalAnarchy
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Alright, so I'm just gonna go ahead and say that I can do it then? Am I good?
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 22, 2012 - 2:39AM #7
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Sep 20, 2012 -- 5:48AM, Escef wrote:

Sep 20, 2012 -- 5:17AM, Zoidberg wrote:

And I'd say it wouldn't.

I know it's unhinged territory but if we stick to the definition the verb "play", which means cast here.



Someone needs to read the card more closely. It does not say to play the creatures, it says to put them into play. Which strongly implies that the Oracle text would be "onto the battlefield". Which is exactly what the Oracle text does say. Imagine that. (Nothing personal, crabcakes.)

Also, to the OP, for future reference, Rules questions belong in Rules Q&A.



Oh, misread the defense indeed. Sorry all my concentration was devoted to deciphering the BFM double cards. :P

Was it really necessary to be THAT condescending though? :/

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 22, 2012 - 5:13AM #8
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Sep 22, 2012 -- 2:39AM, Zoidberg wrote:



Was it really necessary to be THAT condescending though? :/





I think you may have chosen your name and avatar poorly if you wish for others to not be condescending =)

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 22, 2012 - 2:23PM #9
Escef
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Sep 22, 2012 -- 2:39AM, Zoidberg wrote:

Was it really necessary to be THAT condescending though? :/




On a scale of 1 to 10, how condescending was it? 'Cause I was shooting for no more than a 6.

Seriously, though, no disrespect intended. Was meant to be more of a friendly tease.

Sep 22, 2012 -- 5:13AM, SereneChaos wrote:

Sep 22, 2012 -- 2:39AM, Zoidberg wrote:

Was it really necessary to be THAT condescending though? :/


I think you may have chosen your name and avatar poorly if you wish for others to not be condescending =)




And he does have a point.

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8 months ago  ::  Sep 24, 2012 - 1:47AM #10
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And he does have a point.




I can't but bow to that, my friends. :P

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