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8 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 5:55PM #191
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I'd love to explain the details of my investigation on the matter, but I'm not going to right now. I'm just going to say I have a very good understanding of how and why things have transpired as they have. I undertstand the source of each party's actions and motives.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 5:58PM #192
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Oct 2, 2012 -- 5:54PM, sage62 wrote:

In this case, yes. There is actual evidence for my argument, being that it is how the colour white is and has been represented from the beginning of the game. Your view on the other hand is based entirely on your opinion of how the colour SHOULD be based on some cards with a religious tone and coming to the conclusion that religion is good, white is religious, therefore white can only be good and anything stating otherwise, up to and including the game tiself, is wrong and corrupt.





In the opening content you're going to channel the epitome of its meaning into it. Whatever each color first was depictied to represent could be nothing but the core of it's intended relativity. It's that simple. 


White was depicited above all else as the holy color, therefore, holiness is the epitome of its meaning.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 5:59PM #193
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Of course you do, it would be foolish to think that you had nothing to do with the founding of the game and know nothing about the events that led to the current realistic colour pie instead of the one that you think should be true. You aren't just holding your own insane standards to a game that you have no involvement in.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 6:02PM #194
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As has been said, white wasn't entirely holy in alpha. Yes, there were cards with the word holy in their name. Yes, there are cards that are religious in subject matter. This is a common fantasy theme and white is indeed a religious colour, along with black. Being religious doesn't make it inherently GOOD.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 6:02PM #195
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Oct 2, 2012 -- 5:59PM, sage62 wrote:

Of course you do, it would be foolish to think that you had nothing to do with the founding of the game and know nothing about the events that led to the current realistic colour pie instead of the one that you think should be true. You aren't just holding your own insane standards to a game that you have no involvement in.




What is there to know above what I've stated? The greatest evidence of all is the content Garfield presented in his opening product. The basis of this content was the epitome of its intended meaning. Each color and everything it was intended to stand for was clearly presented to us from the very start. Things that deviate from this (and oppose it) aren't staying to to the foundation.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 6:04PM #196
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Oct 2, 2012 -- 6:02PM, GM_Champion wrote:

Oct 2, 2012 -- 5:59PM, sage62 wrote:

Of course you do, it would be foolish to think that you had nothing to do with the founding of the game and know nothing about the events that led to the current realistic colour pie instead of the one that you think should be true. You aren't just holding your own insane standards to a game that you have no involvement in.




What is there to know above what I've stated? The greatest evidence of all is the content Garfield presented in his opening product. The basis of this content was the epitome of its intended meaning. Each color and everything it was intended to stand for was clearly presented to us from the very start. Things that deviate from this (and oppose it) aren't staying to to the foundation.




It was a foundtation that was built upon. They chose to build upon it in a different direction than you think they should have. There is nothing more to it than that.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 6:07PM #197
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Oct 2, 2012 -- 6:02PM, sage62 wrote:

As has been said, white wasn't entirely holy in alpha. Yes, there were cards with the word holy in their name. Yes, there are cards that are religious in subject matter. This is a common fantasy theme and white is indeed a religious colour, along with black. Being religious doesn't make it inherently GOOD.




Never did I say that religion was what made White holy. It's sticking to the pure virtues that makes it holy. Being incorruptable and kind, being a pious and forgiving person. Then comes order and protection which seek to keep good people in existance because it's pleasure that makes life worth living; evil makes life not worth living (because living in misery is torment).


Religion is based on intention to be good or evil, that's what I said here (this link).

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 6:08PM #198
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Oct 2, 2012 -- 6:02PM, GM_Champion wrote:



What is there to know above what I've stated? The greatest evidence of all is the content Garfield presented in his opening product. The basis of this content was the epitome of its intended meaning. Each color and everything it was intended to stand for was clearly presented to us from the very start. Things that deviate from this (and oppose it) aren't staying to to the foundation.



Wrath of God and Armageddon both show that White is capable of unilateral destruction.
Which is evil. 

Damnation and Wrath of God are the same thing, just interpreted differently.
Hence the cards having the same text, and Damnation being just a colourshifted Wrath of God.


So, umm, yeah, Alpha sure does show that White is meant to have evil in it. 

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 6:11PM #199
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Oct 2, 2012 -- 6:07PM, GM_Champion wrote:

Oct 2, 2012 -- 6:02PM, sage62 wrote:

As has been said, white wasn't entirely holy in alpha. Yes, there were cards with the word holy in their name. Yes, there are cards that are religious in subject matter. This is a common fantasy theme and white is indeed a religious colour, along with black. Being religious doesn't make it inherently GOOD.




Never did I say that religion was what made White holy. It's sticking to the pure virtues that makes it holy. Being incorruptable and kind, being a pious and forgiving person. Then comes order and protection which seek to keep good people in existance because it's pleasure that makes life worth living; evil makes life not worth living (because living in misery is torment).


Religion is based on intention to be good or evil, that's what I said here (this link).




Sticking to pure virtues doesn't equal good. Crusade is not a "good" card but implies sticking to your "pure virtues" so much that anyone who doesn't conform to them should be eliminated.

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8 months ago  ::  Oct 02, 2012 - 6:13PM #200
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