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8 months ago ::
Oct 02, 2012 - 3:33PM
#171
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I'm just saying that it's a shame things have turned out this way. Sure it would be lovely to restore the integrity of the game (and White as the holy color) then keep it that way, but you can't take back all the corrupt content that's been produced over years. I'll just continue to defend the truth and design my custom content in-line with what it should be.
It is quite disturbing that you consider one school of fantasy card game design thought to be "true" and the way "it should be" while another is "corrupt" (and probably not just in the sense that it has changed but is actually worsened on an ethical level).
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8 months ago ::
Oct 02, 2012 - 3:37PM
#172
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Oct 10, 2011
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For anyone who didn't catch it, this was bay's deny everything said and spam bs post. Next time bay, save your time. How sad is it that you're going to note a few little Genesis and Exodus passages, then just simply ignore THE GREATER MAJORITY of Judeo-Christian biblical content which presses the preservation of the innocent and the destruction of ONLY the wicked? Seriously, this was the nail in the coffin against your Wrath of God/Armegeddon "white is evil" concept which you've foolishly clung to all this time. This is the denial stage Bay_, it will soon come to pass. You'll hopefully eventually be able to accept you misunderstood the intended meanings of those designs and clung to your defense out of desperation. Oh and I'll love to the efficiency of your deck which you've got two cards that only serve the single purpose of interacting with each other (AND require a sizeable battlefield advantage). Simply put, if you think you're going to slap ki mastery creatures into your deck and own by casting spells of other colors that are nothing but dead weight without those ki mastery creatures, you're in for a rude awakening. As I say, "Trust in yourself, surely you know better than I."
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8 months ago ::
Oct 02, 2012 - 3:44PM
#173
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Oct 10, 2011
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GM you're going to have to come to grips with the fact that white is not nor ever was the way you envision it.quote]
On the contrary my friend, it's quite the opposite.
Take a look for yourself (this link).
Blessing  , HOLY Armor  , HOLY Strength  , Guardian Angel  , Death Ward  , PURElace  (and that's just from Alpha). If there isn't a strong holy overtone here, well, there is so let's not bother with what if's, okay?
Just as I told bay,
"Trust in yourself, surely you know better than I."
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8 months ago ::
Oct 02, 2012 - 3:49PM
#174
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For anyone who didn't catch it, this was bay's deny everything said and spam bs post.
Spam? Yeah, your posts are pink and taste like pure salt.
How sad is it that you're going to note a few little Genesis and Exodus passages,
You do realize which Biblical passages I cited, right? Please, look them up, would you? (Hint: They're some pretty well-known stories. Told all the time in Sunday school.)
This is the denial stage Bay_, it will soon come to pass. You'll hopefully eventually be able to accept you misunderstood the intended meanings of those designs and clung to your defense out of desperation.
No, I feel anger at "five stages of grief" and other psychobabble.
Oh and I'll love to the efficiency of your deck which you've got two cards that only serve the single purpose of interacting with each other (AND require a sizeable battlefield advantage). Simply put, if you think you're going to slap ki mastery creatures into your deck and own by casting spells of other colors that are nothing but dead weight without those ki mastery creatures, you're in for a rude awakening.
I'm sure you're right. Oh wait I have this  and this  and this  . Or just Conspiracy  set to mercenary.
Clever deduction Watson! Maybe you can explain why Supergirl is trying to kill me.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 02, 2012 - 3:51PM
#175
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Ah, I get it now GM: You've decided that White is Christianity. And as a christian, you therefore feel that it's your moral duty to defend it.
What you're not getting is: White isn't Christianity. White is Law and Order.
Fitting white into the biblical narrative:
White was quite happy with the structure of Egypt before Moses freed the Jews. The methods used in that process were essentially red/black, maybe a teeny splash of blue, but no green or white.
White was on the side of the Rabbis in Israel. White was on the side of the Romans. White would happily crucify a troublemaking rabble-rouser.
You don't need to defend white. White is not, and never has been, the side of christianity.
Not to say that white lacks any aspects of christianity. Catholicism is very white. Evangelicals are more red. Quakers are closer to green. Televangelists are black.
I'll admit, I can't really see any blue in christianity, but that's probably 'cause I'm not looking hard enough.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 02, 2012 - 3:54PM
#176
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Bay, I thought your Storm Dove design down there was awesome. 
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8 months ago ::
Oct 02, 2012 - 3:56PM
#177
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I'd say Mennonites are green. Also, blue is the most secular color. Actually, it's kind of funny that blue and green are the most secular colors, and white and black are the most religious colors. I suppose more occult elements of any given religion would be blue. Bay, I thought your Storm Dove design down there was awesome.
Insert badass Storm Crow meme. It's a good late pick, either way. I didn't design it as anything more. (Unlike Kevin, some of my designs are...weak French vanillas?)
I could've gone green/blue, since green has Willow Faerie  , but still...
Clever deduction Watson! Maybe you can explain why Supergirl is trying to kill me.
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[c]Lightning Bolt[/c] = Lightning Bolt
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8 months ago ::
Oct 02, 2012 - 4:13PM
#178
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Oct 10, 2011
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I don't have to look them up bay, it doesn't invalidate the majority of Judeo-Christian biblical content which states the innocent are in the grace of God and God only destroys the wicked. It's that simple. Whatever you want to believe Kingreaper, but those aren't monowhite principals. Crucifying someone in general is torture and isn't monowhite (or white at all). If it were white, our law would allow it, wouldn't it? But torture is outlawed by the U.N. Charter, cited in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights — Article 5. Obviously, anything outlawed today isn't monowhite. Captial Punishiment is the farthest stretch monowhite makes into the obsurities of conflict. Yet, even this, simply put, can be justified. If the person getting Captial Punishment is a danger to everyone and cannot be rehabilitated, there is no other measure of protection that can be taken to ensure this radical element doesn't hurt anyone else. Keeping them around, even in jail, even in solitary confinement, leaves them in this world, where they exist as a danger. It puts in danger all the people who will have to watch over that person for the rest of his/her natural life. In summery, a lot of stuff you're trying to pass off as monowhite here reaper, just isn't monowhite. They don't have any undivided correlation to protection, or order, or holines (which encompasses both), or anything pure. They're all depiciting monowhite in a negative manner, related to negative actions, which are represented by nonwhite principals (colors other than white). Not all measures taken to maintain order are white, mind you. Just because something is related vaugely to a white concept, doesn't make it monowhite (it begins to blend into multicolor). Some concepts are subsidary and open source, their true nature depends on specifics like intention and outcome (which often veer it into multicolor).
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8 months ago ::
Oct 02, 2012 - 4:26PM
#179
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Whatever you want to believe Kingreaper, but those aren't monowhite principals. Crucifying someone in general is torture and isn't monowhite (or white at all). If it were white, our law would allow it, wouldn't it?
Would our laws allow genocide? No.
But genocide is a very white solution. As you say, crucification is fine as long as they're a damn dirty goblin. Right?
Our laws are not all based on white. Freedom of Speech, for instance, is red.
They're all depiciting monowhite in a negative manner, related to negative actions, which are represented by nonwhite principals (colors other than white).
You assume your conclusion. Your logic seems to go: "White is good, therefore anything which is not good is not actually white, therefore white is good, therefore...."
White is not good. It never has been. You have to ignore cards printed in 1993, (the year the game was published) ie. Eye for an Eye  in order to pretend white is good. That means that white has never been what you imagine white to be.
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8 months ago ::
Oct 02, 2012 - 4:47PM
#180
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Oct 10, 2011
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Genocide is not a monowhite solution. It's very red, it's very black. I once made an incarnation design, named Genocide. It was red-black. Chaotic violence is red, orderly violence which destroys the innocent is red. And hate? ( Very red  ). Giving up hope on humanity is very black (see Damnation  ). Unforgivness, abanddon are also evil. If you're destroying your own people (the good along with the evil), you're not protecting anything because there isn't going to be anyone left to be protected from danger (everyone will be dead). If you destroyed innocent people in the process, it becomes a nonwhite operation. Those lost lives can't be justified, not even as collateral damage. No government on this planet justifies when their innocent people are killed in the crossfires of war. It ALWAYS sparks a bigger fire, because people take it very seriously.
The reason Wrath of God  is so two-dimension is because the game is very open to many options. What if you're playing black and splash white for Wrath of God? All your creatures are evil, you shouldn't be able to weild the wrath of god to kill only your opponent's white creatures, should you? Obviously for this reason, it destroys all creatures as a measure to prevent miss-use as best as possible. People are cheapskates, they can't be expected to stick to strict Vorthos protcol. That's why people always run monoblack ramp to fuel everything they ever do. I'm sure he must have had high hopes for everyone (to stick to undivided, matching content).
Now something like, destroy all non-white creatures was likely overpowered in his eyes back then, and his meanings were implied as I've said, so obviously, it wasn't even an issue because his game group knew what it was supposed to represent (so it can act freely, destroying all creatures without being misunderstood).
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