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Sep 18, 2012 -- 7:01PM, Zuberu wrote:

I've been testing some dredge decks. And some decks use Gigapede and much use Phantasmagorian . I'm asking about the Gigapede ability. I mean...

Can I do the Gigapede ability from graveyard to discard a card and return it to hand several times? Or it's just a triggered ability that happens once at the beggining of my upkeep?

Because in that case I would be able to:

-return gigapede discarting phantasmagorian
-return phantasmagorian discarting 2 cards and gigapede
-return gigapede ... again and again
until I have no dredgers in hand

Greetings

It only triggers once.  After that it is no longer the beginning of your upkeep.
 

Sep 19, 2012 -- 5:41AM, Zuberu wrote:

Sep 18, 2012 -- 7:07PM, rudolf wrote:

It only triggers once.  After that it is no longer the beginning of your upkeep.
 

But players can play spells and abilities during the beginning of each player's upkeep,

 No. Players can play spells during the player's upkeep, in 'the middle' of it not in its beginning. The beginning if the single point in time when the upkeep starts. This only happens once per upkeep.

503. Upkeep Step
503.1. First, any abilities that trigger at the beginning of the upkeep step and any abilities that triggered during the turn's untap step go on the stack. (See rule 603, "Handling Triggered Abilities.")
503.2. Second, the active player gets priority. Players may cast spells and activate abilities.

So you mean that Gigapede ability is a triggered ability.

Triggered abilities always start with "when", "whenever" or "at" (this one always like "at the beginning of..."). They trigger once when the event happens (when the upkeep begins) and goes to the stack. The event already happened (the upkeep already began, now where's during it not at this beginning).

Sep 19, 2012 -- 5:58AM, will_dice wrote:

Sep 19, 2012 -- 5:41AM, Zuberu wrote:

Sep 18, 2012 -- 7:07PM, rudolf wrote:

It only triggers once.  After that it is no longer the beginning of your upkeep.
 

But players can play spells and abilities during the beginning of each player's upkeep,

 No. Players can play spells during the player's upkeep, in 'the middle' of it not in its beginning. The beginning if the single point in time when the upkeep starts. This only happens once per upkeep.

503. Upkeep Step
503.1. First, any abilities that trigger at the beginning of the upkeep step and any abilities that triggered during the turn's untap step go on the stack. (See rule 603, "Handling Triggered Abilities.")
503.2. Second, the active player gets priority. Players may cast spells and activate abilities.

So you mean that Gigapede ability is a triggered ability.

Triggered abilities always start with "when", "whenever" or "at" (this one always like "at the beginning of..."). They trigger once when the event happens (when the upkeep begins) and goes to the stack. The event already happened (the upkeep already began, now where's during it not at this beginning).

I have it clear. So the Gigapede ability can only be played once because it's an ability triggered "at".

Thank you people 

Sep 19, 2012 -- 4:49PM, Zuberu wrote:

I have it clear. So the Gigapede ability can only be played once because it's an ability triggered "at".

It triggers once per upkeep - once every time the event 'your upkeep begins' happens. 

The ability automatically triggers, by itself, when your upkeep starts, and goes to the stack.

When the ability resolves, you follow its effect: you may discard a (1, one) card, and if you do, Gigapede returns to your hand.

You don't choose to 'play' it, triggered abilities aren't voluntary on triggerin - but of course you can choose not to discard the card, as it says you 'may' do.

Sep 19, 2012 -- 6:12PM, Zuberu wrote:

I HAVE IT CLEAR THAT IT IS AN AUTHOMATIC TRIGGERED EFFECT THAT GOES ON THE STACK AT THE BEGINNING OF MY UPKEEP ONLY IF I ASSURE ITS MAY DECISION.

 jeez... 

it triggers and goes on the stack at the beginning of your upkeep, period.  you don't decide whether to discard until the ability resolves.

603.5. some triggered abilities' effects are optional (they contain "may," as in "at the beginning of your upkeep, you may draw a card"). these abilities go on the stack when they trigger, regardless of whether their controller intends to exercise the ability's option or not. the choice is made when the ability resolves. likewise, triggered abilities that have an effect "unless" something is true or a player chooses to do something will go on the stack normally; the "unless" part of the ability is dealt with when the ability resolves.