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Sep 18, 2012 -- 2:38PM, gruulsmash wrote:

Sep 18, 2012 -- 3:12AM, NightmareLord wrote:

I have to say, when I saw the art for this card on the front page, I was hyped. Even more so when I heard that it was likely to be the new Becon of Unrest (one of my all time favourite cards).

When I saw the card itself, my enthusiasm drained away.

Don't get me wrong, the effect is amazing. However, why did it have to be stuck on an enchantment of all things? They're the most boring cards in magic. All they do is sit there over the game and irritate you, like a fat bloke on a plane, who overflows into your seat.

Why couldn't this effect have been on a creature? Like, to take a random example, the awsome dracolich thing in the artwork. Seriously, it looks amazing - I thought we were about to see Bladewing the Risen's older brother - Some sort of Dragon Necromancer... thing. I really don't see why this effect couldn't have been on an undead dragon creature, even if it ended up costing a little extra - it just would have been so much cooler.

But no, instead we get some really awsome art (for a nonexistant creature), stuck on a very dull, flavourless enchantment.

Sigh.

Really? Enchantments are boring? What about the curses or something like search the city?

But also don't despair yet, it could be a creature depicted on this.

Search the city is interesting because it's very unusual - it hardly sets the standard for enchantments. The curses are an interesting idea, but the selection is small to begin with, and of those most are still pretty dull.

Wow, I'm now cursed and can only cast one spell per turn. I'm sure this will be a thrilling game...

Also, It's highly unlikely that the creature on Grave Betrayal is an actual creature. If it was, then Grave Betrayal would more likely be called something different, which included the name of said creature. Or, failing that, flavour text that features said creature (or both of these).

Those would indicate forshadowing of a powerful creature. The fact that the card has a bland name, and no flavour text indicates that it has no ties to any particular creature.

Sep 18, 2012 -- 3:48PM, NightmareLord wrote:

Sep 18, 2012 -- 2:38PM, gruulsmash wrote:

Sep 18, 2012 -- 3:12AM, NightmareLord wrote:

I have to say, when I saw the art for this card on the front page, I was hyped. Even more so when I heard that it was likely to be the new Becon of Unrest (one of my all time favourite cards).

When I saw the card itself, my enthusiasm drained away.

Don't get me wrong, the effect is amazing. However, why did it have to be stuck on an enchantment of all things? They're the most boring cards in magic. All they do is sit there over the game and irritate you, like a fat bloke on a plane, who overflows into your seat.

Why couldn't this effect have been on a creature? Like, to take a random example, the awsome dracolich thing in the artwork. Seriously, it looks amazing - I thought we were about to see Bladewing the Risen's older brother - Some sort of Dragon Necromancer... thing. I really don't see why this effect couldn't have been on an undead dragon creature, even if it ended up costing a little extra - it just would have been so much cooler.

But no, instead we get some really awsome art (for a nonexistant creature), stuck on a very dull, flavourless enchantment.

Sigh.

Really? Enchantments are boring? What about the curses or something like search the city?

But also don't despair yet, it could be a creature depicted on this.

Search the city is interesting because it's very unusual - it hardly sets the standard for enchantments. The curses are an interesting idea, but the selection is small to begin with, and of those most are still pretty dull.

Wow, I'm now cursed and can only cast one spell per turn. I'm sure this will be a thrilling game...

Also, It's highly unlikely that the creature on Grave Betrayal is an actual creature. If it was, then Grave Betrayal would more likely be called something different, which included the name of said creature. Or, failing that, flavour text that features said creature (or both of these).

Those would indicate forshadowing of a powerful creature. The fact that the card has a bland name, and no flavour text indicates that it has no ties to any particular creature.

it has no flavor text because it has no room.
Remember the guild champions they trolled for sinker? could be him

Sep 19, 2012 -- 8:04AM, alextfish wrote:

Sep 18, 2012 -- 4:08PM, Angoth1 wrote:

Sep 18, 2012 -- 3:48PM, NightmareLord wrote:

Wow, I'm now cursed and can only cast one spell per turn. I'm sure this will be a thrilling game...

If we're playing, I hope you have a boring game.  If you're thrilled, I'm probably not winning.....

Ha. I couldn't disagree more. I much prefer games when both I and the opponent get to enjoy it, get our decks to "do their thing" to some extent, and where we come away smiling at the end. Ideally I'd also win the majority of those games, but that's definitely secondary to people enjoying themselves. 

Magic is many different games to many people.

I'm the same - I find that the games I enjoy most are the ones that fluctuate back and forth a lot.

Sep 19, 2012 -- 4:43PM, gruulsmash wrote:

Sep 19, 2012 -- 8:57AM, NightmareLord wrote:

I'm the same - I find that the games I enjoy most are the ones that fluctuate back and forth a lot.

yeah, and this card helps with that. also, debtors knell is an enchantment, and you don't have anything against it.

1) When did I, at any point, say that I had nothing against Debtor's Knell? The reason I haven't talked about it (or any of the other dull enchantments) is that they're not the cards being previewed.

Also, considering that I already said that I hated enchantments, I'd have thought that 'I hate it' would be a good defult assumption, regarding my opinion to an enchantment I've yet to mention one way or the other.

2) How exactly does Grave Betrayal make for an interesting and fluctuating game? Surely there are 3 general scenarios:

a) You play it, but your opponent is playing a creatureless (or near-creatureless) deck, so it does nothing.

b) You play it against a creature-based deck, but your opponent kills it with enchantment removal, so it does nothing.

c) You play it against a creature-based deck, and your opponent either doesn't draw his enchantment removal, or doesn't have access to any, and so Grave Betrayal completely dominates the game.

I see possible fluctuations in the performance of the card, but I really don't see how it would possibly lead to an interesting back-and-forth game. Either it will do nothing, or it will dominate the game - neither or which are fun.