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6 months ago  ::  Nov 26, 2012 - 5:33PM #311
BigK42
Date Joined: Apr 21, 2010
Posts: 264

Nov 26, 2012 -- 11:44AM, Catotheyounger wrote:

I PM'd a VCL seeing if I could get this move to the tournament center.  It's been crushing GPs.




I still think there's a bit of a definitional issue.  If a deck is running gravecrawler + geralf's messenger , it's a zombie deck.  Running midrange red creatures makes it rakdos zombies, rather than BR zombies, which is the zombies package with red burn, or rakdos aggros, which doesn't run the zombies package.

That's how I see the taxonomy of these decks, anyway.  All that aside, zombies + midrange red seems to be the superior deck atm.

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6 months ago  ::  Nov 27, 2012 - 4:26PM #312
BigK42
Date Joined: Apr 21, 2010
Posts: 264
Alright, I need soem advice regarding the aggro matchup.  I seem to lose a significantly larger portion of aggro matches than I should, and I'm starting to think it's something to do with my decision-making.  What's my strategy against aggressive decks?  The times I win it seems like I've won by burning the opponent's threats.  I tend to lose if I prioritize board position. 

Given the choice between removing an opponent's creature and playing my own, is it always preferable in the aggro matchup to remove?  What cards should I be sideboarding in against aggressive decks?  Is furor of the bitten sufficient?  Should I side in my dreadbore s?  Is rolling temblor a consideration if I'm on the draw?
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 01, 2012 - 8:12PM #313
BigK42
Date Joined: Apr 21, 2010
Posts: 264
This one's gonna be a long one...  Just got back from SCG Baltimore.  Lost my first game, then won three in a row, then crashed and burned for three losses before dropping.  I saw practically nothing but aggro decks all day long.  Which was really unfortunate, because my deck is much better against control, and I'm not sure I have a good strategy/ build vs. aggro.  My friend who went with me took RBW tokenish, and saw nothing but lingering souls variants all day, after I recommended magmaquake as a one sided sweeper in his deck vs. aggro.  Oops.  Here's what I took:

3x rakdos cackler
4x stonewright
4x vexing devil
4x ash zealot
3x knight of infamy
2x guttersnipe
2x archwing dragon
2x olivia voldaren

2x rakdos keyrune

4x pillar of flame
4x searing spear
3x annihilating fire
1x rakdos's return

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2x sever the bloodline
3x furor of the bitten
2x havoc festival
3x dreadbore
3x rakdos charm
2x reverberate

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The changes I made since my last iteration were:
-1 rakdos cackler , -1 knight of infamy , -1 thunderous wrath , +2 guttersnipe , +1 annihilating fire

SB: -2 killing wave , +2 sever the bloodline , -3 flames of the firebrand , +3 furor of the bitten

Yeah killing wave was pretty junky.  Sever did what I wanted it to do and improved my zombie matchup at the same time.  Much better.

Furor I  thought would be good in the mirror or psuedo mirror, but I got mixed results.
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Round 1 - 0-2 vs. RDW

G1

First match and I get a psuedo mirror.  He's running RDW rather than RB though.  Game one he plays a pyreheart wolf which gives me a small amount of trouble.  I double block it with a ash zealot to get rid of it after pinging it once with olivia (before she died).  At one point he had one card in hand, and since I top decked a rakdos's return with three total mana, I hit him for one, stripping zealous conscripts and bying me a few turns.  He got me though.

G2

I get  a bad draw and mull to 6, getting another bad draw with a dreadbore , and olivia voldaren , and 4 land.  I then played Olivia too early, leaving her open to searing spear.  I then drew nothing but land for a few turns while I got beat down.  Not a good start for the day.

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Round 2 - 2-1 vs. RB zombies

G1

Game 1 was very close.  I led with stonewright into ash zealot , swingin 3.  My first and second ash zealot both met pillar of flame , and I played my Olivia to early into spear again.  He played a messenger, and I had to use one of two burn spells in my hand to kill hellrider to prevent lethal.  At the end I needed one more mana to close out the game with both archwing dragon and annihilating fire to the face, but just couldn't pull it off.

G2

Game 2 we both kept very odd hands.  I was on the play, but nothing hit the field until my turn 3, when I led with guttersnipe .  Somehow it survived his turn, but he burned it when I tried to put a furor of the bitten .  I responded with a snipe trigger Anni fire to the face for 5.

I also misplayed olivia AGAIN, playing a cackler pre-combat and then swinging with olivia.  He speared my cackler then morbid volleyed at olivia to kill her.  If I hadn't played the creature Olivia would have lived.  Note to self - don't play creatures before combat unless they have beneficial triggers.

I ended up winning with a miracle archwing dragon after he finally killed my first one.

G3

Game 3 was very close again.  He got me down to 10, and I took him to 9.  At the end, the board looked like this:

Him:

geralf's messenger , knight of infamy , 4 mana.

Me:

rakdos keyrune , 6 mana, one of which is cathedral of war .

My hand is archwing dragon and furor of the bitten .  I didn't have the mana to end the game.  The most I could do was activate keyrune with dragon, but that wouldn't kill him, and if he just took it and played something hasty, he could win.  So I passed.

Sure enough, he played falkenrath aristocrat and swung all.  I activated keyrune and blocked messenger, taking 8 and putting me to 2.

On my turn, I top decked a mountain and was able to keyrune, dragon, furor on dragon, swing 9 to win.  GG.

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Round 3 - 2-0 vs. Jund zombies

G1

This was another one where I was able tog et just the right numbers.  He searing spear ed my turn 1 cackler, after which I dropped keyrune, and he played a dreg mangler .  I start laying out archwing dragon , and he gets me low with a lotleth troll , discarding creatures to pump.  I got him to 9, and was able to dragon with an exalted trigger from knight of infamy , then play 2 pillars to win.

He showed me some non-standard cards, including jarad, golgari lich , and splinterfright .  In came the rakdos charm .

G2

I start with turn 1 cackle, turn 2 cathedral of war and vexing devil , hitting him for 7 total.  He's busy playing faithless looting , eventually turning it into a fairly large splinterfright .  Fortunately I have charm, and wipe his graveyard to kill the fright.  He plays another lotleth troll , discarding 2x Jarad and another copy of troll.  I manage to kill his troll, and he starts dropping gravecrawler s.  I'm holding annifire, pillar, and reverb, and he's at 9 -.-  I wanted to wait for a hasty something to just burn him out, but I was being threatened by 3x gravecrawler , so I had to reverb an annifire, then pillar the last one on my turn.  We go into topdeck mode, where he pulls out his FOURTH gravecrawler , but it's too late.  I get out an ash zealot and a rakdos keyrune , which both start working.  He stays alive for a few turns due to gnaw to the bone , but he doesn't draw anything to hurt me significantly. 

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Round 4 - 2-1 vs. UW flash

G1

I lose game 1 because I could have burned a restoration angel with a pair of pillars on my turn, but kept them to try to burn him out next turn and died to a pair of equiped pikes which I should have seen coming because they were already on the board >.<

G2

I start with an ash zealot on turn 2, and get to attack while he plays draw spells.  I'm able to keep him off of restoration angel by playing things he has to counter.  At one point, he had 3 in hand.  I rakdos's return for 2, drawing a negate .  Then I reverberate the Return, stripping his hand.  Such sweet, sweet tech.  He scoops to havoc festival the next turn.

G3

I get a fast start with vexing devil into t2 ash zealot .  He plays a snapcaster and equips runechanter's pike to try to hold off the zealot but I rakdos charm the pike and get a favorable block.  He;s able to wipe the board a turn or two later.  He then drops a resto angel and starts making tokens with moorland haunt .  I'm sitting with burn and another rakdos charm in hand wondering when I should wipe his graveyard to prevent more tokens.  Then it hits me - I burn him out with his own creatures and drop a spear, taking him from 7 to 0 in one turn.

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Round 5 - 0-2 vs. 4c midrange

This deck was odd.  It wasn't a 4c reanimator.  It played loxodon smiter , huntmaster of the fells , thragtusk , and armada wurm , along with garruk, primal hunter .  Apparently the black splash is for pc[golgari charm[/c] and sever the bloodline ?

I lost this match mostly due to poor hand keeps on my part.

G1 I had 2x stonewright , ash zealot , pillar of flame , 2x searing spear , and 1 mountain.  I decide to keep, then proceed to draw no lands while he's curving from smiter into armada wurm.

G2 I keep another poor hand, with cathedral and a dragonskull summit.  I almost manage to win with havoc festival , but his black splash gave him golgari charm to save him.

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Round 6 - 0-2 vs. GW aggro

I don't have great notes on this game.  What I have reads " Mayor must die; thalia sucks; too many wolves; township counters suck."  My deck has very little game vs/ decks like these.  Bigger green decks that want to derp around with thragtusk are easy pickings to havoc festival, but decks that actually apply pressure are a different story - the creatures in GW are, unfortunately, just superior to what I'm running.

I think I should have been more aggressive with trading creatures early.  My natural inclination is to hold back until I can break a stalemate profitable, but in this case it just let Mayor get out of hand and let him put township counters on more creatures.

Game 2 I remember trying to searing spear a centaur healer to keep swinging with ash zealot , but he cast faith's shield and stopped me cold.

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Round 7 - 2-1 vs. UW humans

This was a frustratign match.  I got tempo'd in games 2 and 3.

G1

I manage to burn his early drops even though he's on the play.  Eventually he runs out of creatures, and I get to take over with Olivia.  He uses a lyev skyknight to lock down olivia, but I'm able to burn the skyknight and swing game with a knight of infamy over the next 2 turns.

G2

He drops a turn 1 war falcon .  Over the next few turns, he drops a creature and swings with falcon, while I'm left burning the other creature because it's a bigger problem.  champion of the parish ?  Has to go before it gets too big.  Thalia?  Must die.  silverblade paladin ?  Must die.  The stupid bird does 10 damage to me, I finally kill it, and he drops another one.  I get to do some damage with furor of the bitten on a knight of infamy , which was great, but it wasn't enough.

G3

The same thing happens.  I don't have a one drop and start with a zealot on t2.  He has the falcon t1, and we play the drop/ burn game for a few turns while my life drips from falcon.  I get him to 3, and he plays an ajani, caller of the pride , pumping a skyknight for game before I can get another attack.

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It's REALLY annoying that I played almost nothing but aggro all day.  This deck doesn't have a great matchup vs. other aggro decks because our creatures just aren't as good.  I can stick it to control decks all day long, especially with my sideboard cards, which often catch people off guard.  But the aggro matchup just kills me.

I'm thinking of taking this deck more controlling, using havoc festival as a maindeck strategy.  Throughout the day I found myself subbing out rackdos cackler and stonewright frequently, because they just get outclasses with their weak bodies.  More midrange is definitely the place to be with this deck.

Still, I felt pretty good about my initial winning streak, particularly since this was my first real deal tournament.  Good times.

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6 months ago  ::  Dec 01, 2012 - 8:48PM #314
tehbeast
Date Joined: Jun 14, 2006
Posts: 3,622
This deck was listed as "Red Deck Wins" on decklists.net, took second at SCGIQ Cornelius. It's not any kind of RDW I've ever seen, I LOVE the way it looks. Pilot and possibly creator Chris Ingram.
4 x Ash Zealot
3 x Falkenrath Aristocrat
3 x Hellhole Flailer
3 x Hellrider
4 x Knight Of Infamy
4 x Rakdos Cackler
4 x Stromkirk Noble
3 x Dreadbore
3 x Mizzium Mortars
2 x Rakdos Keyrune
4 x Searing Spear
4 x Blood Crypt
3 x Cavern Of Souls
4 x Dragonskull Summit
10 x Mountain
2 x Swamp
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3 x Pillar Of Flame
3 x Rakdos Charm
3 x Slaughter Games
3 x Ultimate Price
3 x Zealous Conscripts
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 01, 2012 - 11:07PM #315
j0e1bar
Date Joined: Dec 1, 2012
Posts: 195
There were two sections  with this title so I posted in both.

Here is my attempt to build a good deck around The Lord Of Riots.

Lands: 21
Rakdos Guildgate X4
Blood Crypt X1 - Only one I have!
Swamp X9
Mountain X7

Creatures: 26
Lobber Crew x4
Lightning Mauler x4 - Haste is nice!
Desicration Demon X4
Hellhole Flailer X3 - Often this is a dead card and I would swap it out!!  Ideas for replacement anyone.
Nacropolis Regent X2
Hellrider X2 - I am thinking of including 1 more by removing a Necropolis Regent
Utvara Helkite X2
Grislebrand X2 - Besides being a big flier he provides the draw power you need to keep your hand from running dry
Rakdos, Lord of Riots X3

Spells: 15
Dreadbore X2
Rakdos Keyrune X2
Piller of flame X2
Searing Spear X2
Cremate X4
Faithless Looting x1
Reforge The Soul x1

In playtesting  it does well. Once I played Rakdos turn 4 Griselbrand turn 5. But for the most part Rakdos hits turn five and and he and the Desicration Demons mop up. 

any thoughts or sugestions
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 05, 2013 - 12:26PM #316
DerMeisterDoktor
Date Joined: Dec 10, 2011
Posts: 856
So I ended up coming back to this deck with a few tweaks. Went 4-0-1 to take 2nd place at a 45 person FNM last night. Outraced Zombies round 1, beat a janky scavenge homebrew round 2, beat Junk tokens round 3, beat Omnidoor Thragfire in round 4, and agreed to draw with my 5th round opponent who was playing Esper control/drownyard. My list is apparently still very viable. People should play this deck.
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5 months ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 7:40PM #317
Valkyrion
Date Joined: Sep 2, 2010
Posts: 22

Jan 5, 2013 -- 12:26PM, DerMeisterDoktor wrote:

So I ended up coming back to this deck with a few tweaks. Went 4-0-1 to take 2nd place at a 45 person FNM last night. Outraced Zombies round 1, beat a janky scavenge homebrew round 2, beat Junk tokens round 3, beat Omnidoor Thragfire in round 4, and agreed to draw with my 5th round opponent who was playing Esper control/drownyard. My list is apparently still very viable. People should play this deck.



I've been lurking the forums and slowly building up cards to make a Rakdos Aggro deck.  Glad to hear that Rakdos is running strong.  What is your current decklist, if I may ask?

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 06, 2013 - 8:42PM #318
DerMeisterDoktor
Date Joined: Dec 10, 2011
Posts: 856

Jan 6, 2013 -- 7:40PM, Valkyrion wrote:

Jan 5, 2013 -- 12:26PM, DerMeisterDoktor wrote:

So I ended up coming back to this deck with a few tweaks. Went 4-0-1 to take 2nd place at a 45 person FNM last night. Outraced Zombies round 1, beat a janky scavenge homebrew round 2, beat Junk tokens round 3, beat Omnidoor Thragfire in round 4, and agreed to draw with my 5th round opponent who was playing Esper control/drownyard. My list is apparently still very viable. People should play this deck.



I've been lurking the forums and slowly building up cards to make a Rakdos Aggro deck.  Glad to hear that Rakdos is running strong.  What is your current decklist, if I may ask?




         4 Blood Crypt
         4 Dragonskull Summit
         5 Swamp
         9 Mountain
         4 Stromkirk Noble
         3 Rakdos Cackler
         4 Ash Zealot
         4 Rakdos Shred-Freak
         3 Hellrider
         2 Reckless Waif
         2 Lightning Mauler
         3 Bump in the Night
         4 Pillar of Flame
         3 Searing Spear
         4 Brimstone Volley
         2 Dynacharge

         4 Appetite For Brains
         2 Rakdos Charm
         2 Dreadbore
         2 Vampire Nighthawk
         2 Traitorous Blood
         2 Slaughter Games
         1 Rakdos, Lord of Riots

This is what I'm running at the moment. Waif is usually the first thing boarded out if my opponent has early turn plays, but she's a house when she can get online. I love swinging for 5 on turn 2. Lightning mauler is great with an unleashed cackler or stromkirk noble dropped on the same turn. I usually don't have a problem outracing/outlasting Zombies or Monored because of the Bumps and sideboard stuff that splashing black makes available.

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5 months ago  ::  Jan 07, 2013 - 8:46AM #319
Valkyrion
Date Joined: Sep 2, 2010
Posts: 22

Jan 6, 2013 -- 8:42PM, DerMeisterDoktor wrote:



This is what I'm running at the moment. Waif is usually the first thing boarded out if my opponent has early turn plays, but she's a house when she can get online. I love swinging for 5 on turn 2. Lightning mauler is great with an unleashed cackler or stromkirk noble dropped on the same turn. I usually don't have a problem outracing/outlasting Zombies or Monored because of the Bumps and sideboard stuff that splashing black makes available.



Thanks for the list.  I'll keep an eye out for some of those cards.

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3 weeks ago  ::  May 05, 2013 - 9:30AM #320
whydoitry
Date Joined: Apr 30, 2010
Posts: 910
After a long hiatus from rakdos i am finally back. 
Built the deck with the new cards from dragons maze and went 4-0 the first week. I just want to say that this deck was surpisingly competitive against the field.

rakdos cackler x4
stromkirk noble x4
ash zealot x4
burning-tree emissary x4
lightning mauler x3
firefist striker x3
spike jester x3
hellrider x4
exava, rakdos blood witch x2

searing spear x4
madcap skills x3

22 lands

sideboard
pillar of flame x4............... this is the allstar from the sideboard
duress x3
rakdos charm x3
skullcrack x4
dreadbore x1

would probably put ultimate price in side board 

some of the card choices
firefist striker was really a test card, when it hit it was amazing other than that really didn't see it too much over the night probably just didn't draw it enough.

madcap skills - this card led to some ridiculous plays. turn one stromkirk then t2 skills against humans is pretty much gg. also being able to go cackler t1 then burning tree onto a skills on the cackler made games real quick.
 
spike jester- would be a 4 of but don't own another one, this guy was amazing, the 3/1 body with haste really put it over and cackler followed by jester was pretty crazy.

exava- really wanted to try her out. ended up never playing her cause i only drew her once or twice

overall beat out g/w humans, naya blitz, gruul aggro and some random blue deck. against the more competitive decks pillars from the side were big game.
over all this deck is quite powerful and very fast. I would give it a try and would like to see if we can make it better
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